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[Music] I give myself I give myself away so you can use me. I give myself away. Give myself away so you can use me. Let's sing that second verse again. Take my heart, take my life as a living sacrifice. All my dreams, all my plans, Lord, I place them in your hands. And I give myself away. I give myself away so you can use me. I give myself away. I give myself away so you can use me. And you might ask, what do I have? What do I have to give away? You know what the Lord Jesus, he said, you are of more worth than many sparrows. Many sparrows, many precious sparrows. Praise God. Amen. And amen. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Yeah. Go ahead and praise the Lord in this place. Thank y'all. Thank you. A lot of stuff going on this morning, but uh we're going to make it. Let's pray real quick while y'all are standing. Lord, we ask you to bless Lord your people today. We ask you, Lord, to touch those that are here today, those that are watching and listening, those who will watch and listen. Lord, reveal to our hearts that your word is true from Genesis to Revelation. Lord, you didn't waste a single word. There's doctrine in every word. And Lord, we thank you for leading us into all truth. I ask you to give each and every person ears to hear and hearts to understand. We bind Satan. We bind every demon spirit, deceiving spirit, seducing spirit, spirit of error. We bind you, rebuke you and command you to go from us right now in the name of Jesus. We bind the spirit of the world. That spirit, we bind it, rebuke it, and command it to go from this service. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. And amen. You may be seated
this morning. We're going to welcome everybody. I hope you ate a good breakfast. You all need you need to buckle in on this one. We're going back to the old days here. We're going to be here for a minute. All right. If children get unruly, you can take them down the stairs right there to and you can still hear the service downstairs. Um I understand that. I've raised a bunch of children, so I know they get unruly sometimes. Ah, look at there. Good to see you. Got Xavier here with us. That's been a while. Good to see you, young man. All right. Well, y'all ready? Um, you can go ahead. You got to start the first slide, don't you? Uh, I think we got about 150 or so this morning. Um, and I entitled this today under attack. I'll you'll understand why I named it that. But for some reason, uh, the devil has just decided that it's time to reattack biblical cosmology, aka flat earth, or as we like to be called, biblical earthers. Um it's kind of crazy what's been going on and I've kind of ignored some of it over the last couple of years. You know, I mean I've responded here and there but not in a full message. So, and actually it's been probably it was Skyfall 20 23 that I did an entire message just on biblical cosmology or true creation. Um, so it's time uh but I've labeled this one under attack because we're going to deal with a specific some specific attacks that have happened here lately. And for those of you that uh are new to this, this is going to be very helpful to you. For those of you who uh may not have ever heard of this, it's going to be helpful to you. At least you will know where we stand on the issue. To many of you, some of these things are going to be old hat, but you need to learn them better anyway. So, shall we proceed? I got a lot of videos in this today. Um Uh, of course the attack started uh when I decided to run for political office again here in Alabama. This is one of our local very left-wing liberal uh news outlets called uh Alabama Political Reporter. They're about as left-wing as it gets. Um they allow a rhino on there every now and then, but that's about it with them. But notice when I announced here they go. Aspiring Lieutenant Governor pinned 479 page flat earth screed. That's not a nice comment by the
way. Um it said it interestingly for a candidate for Lieutenant Governor Dan Odel's two 2019 book is filled with conspiratorial tales of a flat earth. Well, this is how they like to label anybody who doesn't uh agree with them. Isn't it amazing that we just No one can think for themselves. If you don't think along with the herd, then you're a conspiracy theorist, no matter how much proof you have. But remember that this is a Democrat, left-wing, liberal, basically anti-God crowd here, right? But what you're going to see is I get the same thing from so-called Christians as well. Um, here's the other part. says, "While Odel's conspiratorial views are quite public, yes, they are, uh, they were the subject of an op-ed for Yellow Hammer News back in 2021. The specifics have not been reported on. So, APR acquired a copy of his 2019 self-published book, Light Clay Under the Seal, which Odel has promoted on social media and recently as October 2023. uh a highlights reel of Odel's Facebook post scripture and assorted outofc context quotes like Clay under the seal thoroughly unlike any politicians book you may have read before. Oh yeah. Yeah. Out of Well, I love how these these guys think they know how to take the Bible in context when they don't even know God or the Bible, right? Um but then more recently there was USA Today gave me a call and of course um I asked him I said is this going to be a hit piece or are you going to actually print some of the things that I say that prove what I'm talking about there actual evidence that the earth is a flat stationary uh plane that we live on? And of course he said, "Oh yeah, I'm yeah, right. Okay." Well, out of a 30 minute interview, he included maybe three quotes, but not even full ones. And the only real full one he did is when I quoted article 6, paragraph 3, of the United States Constitution, which I guess that's good because they don't like the Constitution either. They really hate the Bible and the Constitution, these left-wing organizations. Um, of course I did this for fun, you know. We have We'll back it up here. You got to turn the volume up, man. This is for Jordan right here. All right. What does he say? You are without doubt the worst pirate I've ever heard of. But you have heard of me.
Yes, they have heard of me. In fact, what was interesting about the interview with Terry Collins from USA Today was the fact that he said, "Your name's been coming up." And I'm like, "You live in San Francisco. You work for a liberal lift left-wing media outlet called USA Today. Your orders come down from high up the food chain of the Illuminati controlled world." What? What? What's my Where's my name coming up? That's why I played this. They think I'm They think I'm the worst ever, but they have heard of me, right? Well, it's not just them, but it's also the Christians or alleged Christians. I don't even know who this person is. Um, this is a a woman by the name of Melissa Dhy. I think that's how you say it or daughtery. I don't know how you say that name. Anyway, she is supposedly allegedly a Christian apologist and she does she started out doing funny little Tik Tok videos, I think, or shorts and then she uh she's working on her fourth degree. So, she I guess she thinks she's in intellectual now. and her and another Christian professor at some university decided to do a deep dive for a month uh into the flat earth and Christian flatear-thers and I thought, "Wow, a whole month. Was it a complete 30 days?" Hm. Um, and you can tell that basically this one right here does the one month study and then tries to explain biblical cosmology flat earth to this one right here. And I thought and and then in the process, guess what they use? I need a copy of my book real quick. I'm going to have to read something out of it. Uh, S, would you do that for me? But they actually use my book for most of it, for most of the video. Of course, cherrypicked quotes and things and taking things clearly out of context as I'm going to show you, but this woman has uh 360 plus,000 subscribers on YouTube. and uh just I don't know when I was working on this last night, it had 45,000 views, this video. Okay, so um I thought and after listening to it the night before, I thought, you know, I do need to respond to this one because I'm sick and tired of it. And I started hearing from people all over the country and different parts of the world and they're like, did you see this? I'm like, "Yeah, I listen to the whole thing." And uh so I figured you should have to listen to some of it today.
Um, now I want to say this that that she, as you're going to see in a second, these two, and this is I don't know if this is just because they're women, it's a woman thing, or if this is a calculated manipulation, but they give you the Oreo, right? They try to be sweet in the beginning. Oh, we're just trying to understand, have a conversation. And then they call us everything from out of touch with reality, a cult, um what was some of the other things I'm forgetting, but you you'll hear it in a second. So I thought to myself, wow. So when the biblical cosmology flat earth community started responding to her rudeness on here, I mean, she did a pulled a Greg Lock, but just in a nicer way. Um, she just got appalled how these mean flat-earthers are attacking me and she posted this right here as her, you know, pinned post and started talking about I've covered some truly controversial topics on this channel. One of one that most people would consider far more intense than this, but I've never received the level of animosity that I've gotten over this video. The emails have been unusually harsh, unkind, and in some cases downright cruel and threatening. The last time I got this much aggressive hostility was when I discussed why Jehovah witnesses and and the mind control behind it. I have seen in the last 24 hours a defense of the flat earth as if it were the resurrection of Jesus Christ in the gospel. And she just goes on. Now, the reason I'm putting this up here is because I tried to respond to this three times. I posted my comment and it showed it posted and I have screenshots of said post, right? So, I posted it and within 60 seconds it was taken down. I had to get the screenshot quick and and all I said was when you call us who believe in flat earthbiblical cosmology a social contagion a cult mind controlled and not based in reality while you ignore the actual scientific evidence like long-distance experiments and NASA and military doc do documents and technical manuals some formally classified you are going to get a lot of negative responses your video was extremely biased condescending and cherrypicked out of either ignorance or on purpose to push your agenda. Mentions of my book and what I teach were also taken out of context or completely ignored like the ends of the earth issue and the entire view of what I wrote about hermeneutics that I confirmed via
PhD from Fuller Theological Seminary. And let me just add that your friend Lindsay is still woefully ignorant on the subject of what we believe and why we believe it. In fact, your video was no different than the hit piece USA Today did after interviewing me a few weeks ago. And I gave my interview and said, "If you would like to contact the actual author of like Clay and the Seal, delete, delete, delete." I even got Nancy to go on her YouTube channel cuz mine, you know, is suspect. It even appearing it might be an illusion. And but she posted it, it was deleted immediately. Then I just posted it in the regular comments, you know, down at the bottom of the 2,000 plus gone. But there were all kind of pros and cons comments. Why was mind elite? Now, this shows me that the Christians here or the alleged ones, I don't know. I don't know these people want to censor me just like the media. They also want to vilify me and put me in a bad light just like the liberal media. I wonder if they're working for the liberal media. I don't know. A lot of these influencers got set up by the wicked. Some of them get all of them get offered the deal if they build a big following and most of them take the deal. So I don't know if she did or not. I'm not saying she did. I don't I don't know. But I'm just saying this was not very nice, was it? Now let's listen. I'll let you get a little listen in on how this begins. A flat earth. it it's honestly hard to nail it down. Um in in uh his book Like Clay Under the Seal, um Dean Odel, he talks about how it goes way back. I mean, and uh the conspiracies that are are potentially involved in perpetuating the lie of the spherical Earth, um that it's just been a cover up. We've all we always have known that it's a flat earth because that's what the Bible tells us. um according to Dean Odel. Um yeah, so I would say it's not so much how old is the flat earth theory, but when did we start thinking of the earth shaped as a sphere? Um you can look at Greek philosophers and um like Aristotle or others who started thinking of the earth as a as a sphere, not as a flat disc. Okay. Okay. All right. So when we discovered germs for example, sure. Okay. That oh this is what's making us sick. It's not a curse. It's
not spiritual entities. It's not these other outside forces, the gods punishing whatever it is. Oh. Oh, we need to wash our hands. Mhm. Now, with that new information, we now move forward with this wonderful thing called soap and disinfection. Right. I hope. Yes. You would hope. Yes. And so, uh, we make changes based on new knowledge and there's nothing dangerous and there's nothing conspiratorial about it. What is the motive for the earth being flat conspira in a conspiracy sense? I don't understand this. Yeah. Um, you and I talked about this. This is the biggest thing for me is I don't understand what the motive even would be at all because it's a good thing that the earth is round. Number one. Number two, it corresponds to reality. It makes sense with math with they would disagree. I'm sure. I am sure. But it's one of those things where um if you have the belief and it's attached to something where okay I have to believe that it's a curse that makes me sick not germs because if I believe otherwise then that crumbles my worldview therefore I'm holding on to this no matter what you say that black and even show me proof black and white I'm going to believe this. I have to think okay there's a motive for that. I all there's so many things we can get into with just the way I'm prefacing this question. Yeah, sorry. But um let's start with that. What is the motive to kind of dig in your heels and and not under not accept that the earth is round? Okay. Um did you notice though you're going to hear a lot of double speak and a lot of deflection? Okay. She didn't really they didn't really answer the initial question or the initial discussion, right? Um, and this is what they do through the whole thing. Um, here's here's a little more. You need to hear a little more. Lind, maybe give me your thoughts on this, but um, you and I have done a lot of work in uh, mind control. like I don't want to use this word not controlling people's minds but studying controlling people's minds. There's a difference between brainwashing and mind control. Yes. And um I want to be careful when I use this word and and but a lot of cults use a lot of mind control. Yes. And one of the things that is very very useful and helpful is to make them very paranoid. You can't trust anybody but us, right? We're the ones who won't lie to you when they're lying to you, like as they lie to you. Um, and so there's a lot of like
uh trauma. There's a reason why people that come out of groups, high control groups have a lot of trauma because they really don't know who to trust. Um, it sounds like there's a very very high degree in these groups of distrust for authority. Yeah. for um the government. I mean, I kind of I mean, it's the government, but I mean, yeah, I'm I'm gonna hand it back to you, but the one thing that keeps Yes. Like, what does it matter? Number one, and number two, if they wanted to control us by convincing us the Earth is flat or round instead of flat, what what domino effect does that have to affect me on any level when they could just do so much worse? Oh dear, they have used so much worse. The Corona virus, right? The shutdowns, the lies, the vaccines, they oh, they use worse. Yeah, they commit genocide. They tell all kinds of lies and stories, right? Um, but this right here just shows you that they where where they were going with this. We're a cult. We're mindontrolled. And anybody like me that's actually teaching it. I'm the mind controller. I'm the one what they don't. And then they say we have a problem with trust. No. No. Here. Here. Listen to me, sugar. We trust God's word to be true and men to be liars. It's real simple. And God's word is crystal clear. Now the problem is is that all of us when we were lost were blinded to truth in the Bible. Then we got saved and we still had a lot to learn. Therefore, we got indoctrinated with false doctrines that blinded us to certain truths. And we've all had to keep seeking God, believing God, trusting God to teach us, the Holy Spirit to teach us and lead us into all truth. I can tell you this right now. I I there's no way that I have been able to manipulate tens of thousands of people to believe this. Y'all believe this not because I say it. Y'all believe it because it's in the Bible and because there's evidence to prove it. All right. Now, again, the question too, why is it this important? Because it's important because truth, biblical truth, God's truth from Genesis to Revelation is what sets us free. You say, what does it set us free from? Sets us free from Satan's lies, from deception. It sets us free from leading us into other error because
one error will lead you into another one. One deception will lead you into another one. And so God wants us to know the whole truth. Now she keeps saying, "I just don't understand. I just don't understand." I I will tell you why. And it's real simple. What did Jesus say to his disciples? He said in the Gospels, multiple times, he said, "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but unto them it's not given. You put that in your pipe and smoke that one right there. Right. Maybe you can. You just have to be able to see it. Now, I can tell you I was blinded to it for a long time because I was indoctrinated from a child in the same public school system, private school. I went to private school. I went to public school and I went to a public university and I was taught the same thing they were taught. And therefore, that's what I believed. What I don't know why some of these people don't think about that. We all believed what they believe at some point. But something had to come in and to something pretty drastic. Not just a conspiracy theory, but something pretty drastic had to happen to get you to change what you had been brainwashed, mind controlled, and indoctrinated with from a baby. And so what could be so strong to be able to set you free from a lifetime of mind control, the word of God, hearing the truth of the word of God and seeing the evidence. And when you saw that the word of God and the evidence matched, you realized that yes, the government will lie to you. And did you see the double speak here? She went and goes, "These people have a problem with trusting, like trusting the government. Like you should trust the government." And then she goes, "Well, but it's the government." And I'm like, "Which side are you on, lady? What is the deal?" All right. Now, about the only time, let me just say this real quick. About the only time you can trust the government is when they've been hiding something and it finally leaks out and you go, "Ah, they were hiding it. So that's they didn't want us to know that. So it must be the truth, right? Most of the time. Not every time, but most of the time." All right, let's keep going. Y'all having fun? Now, I love this verse from Jesus because he said when he was explaining to Nicodemus about being born again, he said, "If I have told you earthly things and you believe not, how shall you believe if I tell you heavenly things? If I tell you how the earth is really created, and you can look at it and see it, but you're still going to believe what a man tells you from NASA or an astronaut.
or an actor, not are you going to believe spiritual things? And of course, they really attack me, as you're going to see, on how dare I take the Bible literally about the subject of creation. Last time I looked at, I don't believe we're in a simulation. I don't believe we're in an illusion. I believe it's actually real. The dry ground, the sea, the oceans, the sky, it's all real. So why would God not give us facts in the Bible, truth about the nature of creation that we can rely on? Why all of a sudden? Let me ask you this too. You, some of you have been Christians like me for almost 40 years, some of you longer. Name any foundational doctrine of the Bible that that Christian fundamentalist or at least halfway fundamentalists start screaming, "That's just metaphors. That's just figures of speech. That's just that's not meant to be taken literally." Which one do they They go crazy. They anything else do you know of? Maybe end time prophecy. They get a little crazy, but it's this one. Why? Because let me just tell you their heliocentric big bang spinning water ball flying through the infinite ever expanding vacuum of space is an absolute idol in their heart because they were trained to worship it from a baby. It's that simple. So, Pastor Dean, I I told you I was going to unleash. Here's the thing. Jesus talked about earthly things and he and heavenly things. Throughout his word, we've got earthly things and heavenly things. And then he said, what here? What did he say here? Prove all things, test all things, and hold fast to that which is good. Um, and let me just say this. We've done this. I'm going to show you. We've done this with lasers, telescopes, high zoom cameras across Mobile Bay in multiple directions in different times of the year, in different temperatures and weather situations, different months of the year with
engineers, former military officers, and PhDs in physics because we ain't scared to take anybody down there. Come and see. As Jesus said, right? Come and see. All right, let's look at this. Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good. So, just remember these these verses here. All right. Now, I couldn't put their whole hour they did in this video and I mean in this message, but there's a point where they they they start getting on this like how could they keep this a secret? How could they lie about this? How could they deceive us so long? Amen. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, the entire world. That means he deceived all of us with something, actually with several things. And he was cast into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Oh gosh, I about fell on Pastor Troy. That devil, see, I'm talking about him. He tried to push me down. Why does this Why does this shock people that the majority of the world could be deceived about something? Why is that such a shock? Because we all think we know everything, especially now that we have the internets, right? But see, the Bible foretold this massive conspiracy. And they keep saying conspiracy theory. Remember, I've said this many, many, many times. You can take this to the bank. This is a fact. If it is in Bible prophecy and we see it coming to pass specifically, right? It's not a theory. It's a conspiracy fact, not a conspiracy theory. You understand? There are conspiracy theories that we cannot prove. But if the Bible tells us it, even if the Bible tells us before it happens, the Bible is true and men are liars. That God be true and every man a liar. Right? Romans very clear about that. This was foretold the massive conspiracy against the God of the Bible and his Messiah, Jesus Christ. Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, "Let us break
their bands of. We don't want their rules and their control. Let's cast away their cords from us. We don't want their stuff." He says, "He that siteth in the heavens shall laugh. The Lord shall have them in derision, meaning he will laugh mockingly at them. Then he shall speak unto them in his wrath and vex them in his sword displeasure." And he goes on to talk about ruling them with a rod of iron in the fierceness of his wrath. And this ends this p this Psalm two ends. It says, "Kiss the son lest he be angry with you and you perish in the way." He says, "Blessed are all they that put their trust in him." Now, let's keep going. How would you define a conspiracy anyway? Rich, powerful people getting together and making a plan. That's all it is. Does that happen in our world? Yes, it does. Then why do you think they keep throwing the term upon us conspiracy theorists? See, it's just it's just a derogatory term that they've created for anybody that starts shaking things up that starts exposing their lies and setting people free from it. And see, these people can say all day long, what what does it matter about for me about my salvation? You know what? If you're born again and love Jesus, hey, all this helps you do is know the truth that you where you've been lied to. Bottom line, you don't have to you don't and I don't teach that you have to believe this about creation to be saved and go to heaven. I do not teach that and I think they tried to partially admit that. But there are many people that because they have been taught the heliocentric version which to them means that the Bible cannot be true as it is written have become atheist and agnostics. And that's why when I started preaching in this and when this revival of of biblical creation started in about 2014 2015 more atheists and agnostics have been saved than ever before. And why is that? Because again they see the Bible now making sense to them especially when they see the evidence. And most of the agnostics and atheists that have been born again, again, they were staunch in that heliocentric capernac system, they even claim to see the curve from an airplane. And you don't. I'll explain that more in a minute. But well, let's just read this. Here's here's where he tells us why is this important and what is part of the conspiracy. It's not the whole conspiracy of these people who are plotting against God and against his anointed, which means both the Messiah,
Jesus, and the church, the true church. What is the plot? What's part of the plot? Romans 1 tells us, he says here, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold." And if you look up the word hold in the Greek dictionaries, lexicons, it means to withhold or suppress. So those who withhold or suppress the truth in unrighteousness. And you notice there's a semicolon here. That's the reason because the thought continues. And what does it say? Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them. For God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made even his eternal power and godhead so that they are without excuse. Creation the physical things reveal to you the invisible things revealed to you the power revealed to you who is the God of creation. which is why he gave details in this book of how creation is so we could identify the one true God, the Lord Jesus Christ, the the creator of all things. It's basically he's shown us through creation, the physical things, his invisible DNA and everything, right? And I'm not talking about he's in everything like a rock or a tree. I'm talking about his power made everything. He is the preeminent one. And it says that Jesus is God in the flesh and that by him all things consist and that he made all things. Right? And this tells us that men would conspire, would know the truth about creation, like maybe about the firmament, maybe about its flat. Mhm. I mean, if they didn't know about it, why' they try to blow it up in in the 1960s with Operation Fishbowl? You don't try to blow something up that doesn't exist, right? They know because they've been to past the ice wall of Antarctica. They've been inland all the way to where they can't go any further. They've run into the firmament that meets the earth, the dome. And they did this with Admiral Bird the 1940s, Operation High Jump. And they found it. And within 10 years of finding the dome, they tried to blow it up. They created NASA and they lied to us about
it all because they had to suppress the truth about creation. Because if they didn't, we would all turn to the God of the Bible and not to Allah or Buddha or Krishna or all the other gods out there. Boy, I tell you what, y'all are about as quiet as some Episcopalians in here. Don't as the old Pentecostal. Don't shout me down when I'm preaching good now. Right now, when we say the Hebrew cosmology, all we're saying is what they taught in the Bible. You're going to hear something that's just going to blow your mind in a second, but here it is. And and I I appreciate a man by the name of Dr. Michael Heiser, who was uh PhD, professor theology. I can't remember the different schools he taught at, but he was well known. Uh, he passed away. He died of cancer a few years ago. Um, but he taught this. He taught this what did they believe about cosmology. And I've watched his entire lecture on this, a whole series of lectures he did on this. And he's a PhD in theology. And he said, "This is the system." In fact, one of his students did this for him. this illustration for his class because they hated his other illustration that he used and it shows the three- tiered system that the earth is a flat plane with contour that it's a circle that below is hell in the underworld in the great deep that the firmament is the molten glass crystal dome over the earth. The sun, moon, and stars are inside this. And then the waters of heaven are above that firmament. And God's throne or the third heaven is up there. This is what the Bible teaches. This is what Moses taught, Ezekiel taught, Joshua. We could go down through the list and I you know I've covered a lot of this but Michael Heiser said this is what the Bible teaches but but they were just teaching it from what they knew. Therefore what he denied is the divine inspiration of all scripture by doing that. I believe that's why he died of cancer. And it was quick and devastating because you don't get that platform to teach everyone. Yes, the Bible teaches this, but they just didn't know what we know today. Because the moment you do that, you set up a god, an idol in your
heart called science. See, there's true science we can observe, test, repeat, and then there's pseudocience. But anything so-called science that is against God and his holy word that he inspired is pseudocience. And if you choose that over what he says, it becomes an idol to you. And this is why it's so hard for them to let go of it because their belief system is a religion. They believe it because some men told them so. They're priest in the white robes with the little NASA emblem on them. The astronauts with their fancy suits and rockets. And you know there's been what just around 300 people that's so-called gone to space. Maybe a little over. Yeah. Take me. I'll go up there. You're going to lie to me. Now, of course, there's no telling what they do to you. They'd probably kill me and have my clone ready to go. Um, so let's listen to this. My brain is braining. Um, good luck. The Bible's not a science book. No. Okay. There's other things in the Old Testament. Yes. That from the Hebrew world view that that we would never do today. Um, Hebrew worldview. You're talking about a um ancient ancient Middle Eastern view of lots of things. I mean, this is where a lot of the laws in the Old Testament came from that had to do with being clean. Yes. I am I am not wearing the right fabric. Exactly. Yes. Okay. So, you know what I'm getting at. And we have makeup on. Like we're we're not following the rules. Okay. So you understand that if that's the standard, if if the the the ancient Hebrew worldview is the standard in which we ought to see the world, then they need to follow that standard throughout. If that's how and and I'm only assuming that that's how they explain that's how they knew or could understand at the time what the world looked like. That doesn't mean it's it's a description. It's not a prescription. I am here to present the information so that we can process it and learn more. Um and again like he's the only one who can help us try to understand. He wrote 400 pages to do that. Um I think the debate with with um Lockach was interesting because um
Dean Odel does speak for like an hour and a half. Hang on. Let let me pause this. Let me go to this and I'll back up. But did you notice where she went? Okay, the old covenant law, was it written by Hebrews perspective or was it the word of Almighty God given to Moses? Do you see what they have to do? And this is so satanic. It is so deceptive. It is so much the spirit of Antichrist. to say to people with a straight face as claiming to be a Christian, saying to other Christians, they just didn't know what we know now. Those laws were just their ideas of how to do things. It's funny how when they disobeyed them back then, like thousands of people would die, like the ground opening up and they going straight to hell and all kinds of stuff. But, you know, it was just their ideas, right? I guess it was just their idea to split the Red Sea, too. See, this is this is I I I can't stress to you it. You might as well have the devil standing there with a big red tail and horns saying, "Don't you believe that book is inspired by God?" You can't believe all of it because see here where where does it stop? I'm gonna tell you where it's going to stop. When we start pointing out for sure when we know who the antichrist is and we know what the mark of the beast is going to be. Let me tell you, they're going to be, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That's not it. You can't believe the Bible literally like it's going to be a literal something in your hand or forehead. You can't believe that. They just didn't know what we know today. Yet they knew it 2,000 years in advance. This scripture, this right here is what kills them. All scripture. Somebody say all. All. Guess what? I looked up the word all in the Greek and guess what it means? All. Yes, it does. Y'all are smart people. All scripture is given by inspiration of God. God breathed. God moved. God gave it to his prophets and apostles to write down exactly word for word what he wanted. And if you don't believe that, then you don't believe the Bible. Your faith is screwed up. If you do not believe, all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly
furnished unto all good works. Do you know what my friend, Dr. Dr. John Strazich, PhD, theology, reads Hebrew and Greek, Fuller Theological Seminary, has been the president of Bible colleges. He he called me one day back in 2016 and we became friends. I interviewed him on Prophecy Quake. It's still there. Um he came to the debate. We we've stayed in touch over the years. And I asked him one time, "Am I taking anything out of context? Am I have do I have the definitions of anything wrong?" Because I was using every Hebrew and Greek lexicon I get my hands on studying this stuff. I studied everything I could find for 10 years, not a month. I said, "Am I do?" And you know what he said to me? "Absolutely not." He said, "You are my hero." He said, "Because I would be terrified to do what you're doing." He said, "They'd yank my degree from me." They would. See, I've talked to commercial pilots, too, who are scared to tell you the truth because they know the FAA would yank their license from them. I've spoken to military officers, know the truth, scared to death to tell the truth in public because they're going to be court marshaled or, you know, stripped of rank or end up, you know, having an accident. I mean, Bart Sabre when he went to Ed Mitchell's house, the the astronaut and confronted him about the fake moon landings when they kicked practically assaulted Bart Sabre and threw him out of the house. Um, Bart Sabril accidentally dropped a microphone. Maybe, maybe not. And Ed Mitchell's, the astronaut who's pushing the UFO thing and the alien lie and deception, got caught on a recording saying him and his son talking about, "Do we need to call the CIA to have them whack? To have them killed?" To have Bart killed. Oh, yeah. I've talked to Bart, too, through email. I mean, Bart Sabril, who did the uh must-see documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, if you haven't seen that, take 45 minutes and watch the whole thing. You'll never believe in the moon landing again. Okay? And that's only part of the story. Uh NASA moon America. We never went to the moon by rocket iron scientists and stuff. I mean, there's in one of this part of this, and I don't know if I play this, but this attack, she says, "Where are the whistleblowers?" Oh, they're everywhere. They're every Oh, we we don't know any. Well, yeah, you looked into it for a month. Yeah, good luck,
right? A whole month. And you can talk down to us. Call us a cult. Call us a social contagion. You looked into it for a month. Okay. And you tell us that the Old Testament was somehow not inspired by God, but just Hebrew ideas, ancient Hebrew ideas. No, folks, this right here. Now, let's go back to the part I didn't finish. Hold on. Oh, no. Wrong direction. Let's go this direction. She's having cognitive dissonance. My brain is braining. Um, good luck. The Bible's not a science book. No. Okay. There's other things in the Old Testament. Yes. That from the Hebrew world view that that we would never do today. Um, Hebrew worldview, you're talking about a um ancient ancient Middle Eastern view of lots of things. I mean, this is where a lot of the laws in the Old Testament came from that had to do with being clean. Yes. I am I am not wearing the right fabric. Exactly. Yes. Okay. So, you know what I'm getting at? And we have makeup on. Like, we we're we're not following the rules. Okay. So you understand that if that's the standard, if if the the the ancient Hebrew worldview is the standard in which we ought to see the world, then they need to follow that standard throughout. If that's how and and I'm only assuming that that's how they explain that's how they knew or could understand at the time what the world looked like. That doesn't mean it's it's a description. It's not a prescription. I am here to present the information so that we can process it and learn more. Um, and again like he's the only one who can help us try to understand. He wrote 400 pages to do that. Um, I think that was a derogatory comment toward me by the way with um, lock was interesting because um, Dean Odel does speak for like an hour and a half with his slides and everything. Uh and so you can get a good understanding of of where he's coming from. Yeah. Um but that is a a a rabbit hole we don't have time for. A rabbit hole they don't have time for. Of course not. Yeah. You can't do it in a month. Now, here's what the Bible teaches. And I'm going to start showing you this. All right. The Bible describes a solid firmament dome covered flat earth set on pillars on a foundation that God himself built. Nothing here what I I'm telling
you right now. Nothing in the Bible describes the earth as a sphere, a ball. Nothing. And they do admit the t the correct teaching they do admit about the word coug and ball. But let's let's keep going of making that statement letting you letting you see now. Let's oh I forgot there's another reason to kind of hold on to this. I mean, if you're a biblical literist, literalist, and you find out that the earth is actually a sphere, but you've been taught that you should believe that the Bible is not full of metaphors or idioms unless it's like super specific. Um, then it would be hard to change that perspective. It would it would have a cost. It's basic hermeneutics, though. I mean, you're trying to understand there's a right way to read the Bible and a wrong way to read the Bible. Which is interesting that you would use the word hermeneutics because uh Dodel talks about that in his book and he says the most important law of biblical hermeneutics is that the Bible should be interpreted literally. We are to understand the Bible in its normal or plain meaning unless the passage is obviously intended to be symbolic or if figures of speech are employed. Melissa goes on to use Revelation 13 as the example. The sevenheaded tenhorn beast of Revelation 13 is a symbol of the United Nations world government with seven main leaders and 10 kings under them. We see this being literally fulfilled in the United Nations right now. Right. He is trying to be he is trying to be consistent. I was just going to say this I'm throwing him a bone here because he is trying to be consistent with the worldview that the Bible is to be taken literally. So then when he uses verses like Isaiah 40:22 that says the earth is a circle, it makes a lot more sense that we're talking about a flat circle, not a sphere. Hold on a second. Wait a minute. Go ahead. Hold on. Um, now I'm going to get to that in just a second. But here's my book, by the way. Okay. Now what she quoted here when she talks about hermeneutics and they try to they try to act like that I'm not uh I'm not following hermeneutics. They only quoted one principle of biblical hermeneutics that I wrote here. I actually have five laws of biblical interpretation that take up three pages explaining how you correctly interpret scripture. Like for instance, that was number one. The most important law of
biblical hermeneutics is that the Bible should be interpreted literally unless it is clear that it is not. And that depends on context. Okay? And then sometimes it depends on the word used because there's different words used for that's interpreted in English as the same word, but they're actually different words in Hebrew and Greek. So then number two, the second crucial law of biblical hermeneutics is that passages must be interpreted historically like what they actually taught back then. Huh? Imagine that. Interpreting a passage historically means we must seek to understand the culture, background, and situation that prompted the text. And again, this gets a little squirly, sounds a little uh liberal theologian, but bottom line, it just means you should consider they have taught this throughout history. Okay? And Josephus concerned uh confirms this that they believed in a solid firmament and that the sun, moon, and stars moved in a circuit around us confirmed by in a historical record. Um, number three, interpreting a passage grammatically requires one to follow the rules of grammar and recognize the nuances of Hebrew and Greek. And I give examples of that. And then the fourth thing, the fourth law of biblical hermeneutics is that scriptures must be interpreted in context. Interpreting a passage uh contextually involves considering the context of a verse passage when trying to determine the meaning. And I give an example of that. And the fifth law of biblical hermeneutics is that scripture is always the best interpreter of scripture. We don't get to make any private interpretation. If the Bible's talking about some kind of glass thing called a firmament over here in Genesis, then we go over here in Ezekiel where he's talking about it again. Then we go over here in Psalms where he's talking about it again. Then we go over here in Revelation where he's talking about it again. And we find all those verses and we learn what it is. And we look up the definition of the word uh firmament, the Hebrew word raka. We look that up. What is the definition of this? What is the definition of the root word raqa? And this is how I have done this for 10 years. But notice they didn't they didn't read but the first little bit of it and then act like I didn't know what I was talking about. Yet my PhD from Fuller Theological Seminary, Dr. John Straz's itch confirmed to me. I sent those five laws of biblical interpretation to him. I said, "Are these correct?" And he said, "Yes, they are." All right. So, I sought wise counsel on these things. All right. But did you know here's the thing. If they wanted to know what a Christian flatearther believes and if I'm one of the most prominent ones that's written a 479 page book, wouldn't it stand a reason that you would
interview me and not somebody who looked into it for a month for you? Unless you have an agenda or you're scared. I don't know. Many Christians ask, "Why does it matter?" or just say, "The issue of nature and creation doesn't matter." And we got another little video for you because there are Christian flat-earthers and then there are secular flatearthers. And I've already named two, so I'll just sort of use those as examples. Um, Dean Odel is probably the most prominent that I know of uh of of Christian flatearthers. He debated Greg Lockach uh back in December 2023. It was a 4-hour debate at Lock's church. I think they set up a tent for it or something. Um and the crowds were big and it ended with uh uh Greg Lockach kicking Odel and his followers out of the church and said go away. Yeah, that's about right. Yes, it is consistent with what we have seen um with regard to him. However, in that 4-hour discussion, Odel basically described his entire book. I mean, he had hundreds of slides that he ended up just skipping through. Um, but I'm going to try to explain to you where he comes from when he's he's coming from the flat earth perspective just by telling you what's in the table of contents. So, the first chapter is called Satan's global deception. Okay. So the theory then is that Satan is hiding the fact that this is a flat earth to deceive us. But why does it matter if it's why does that Okay, hold on. My salvation doesn't matter on whether the earth is flat or a square or a star or spaghetti. I don't understand. So I will tell you that some flatearthers believe it does matter because if you do not believe it is a flat earth then you are not taking the Bible literally. Biblical literalism coincides with believing in the flat earth. Uh they don't really believe there are many metaphors or idioms within scripture unless it's like super obvious. And uh that's where we get into some of the verses that we'll talk about later um regarding things that might indicate that it's a flat earth. But I want to clear it up like right from the start. The Bible doesn't say whether the earth is flat or spherical. It it doesn't mention that. Uh what it does tell us is that uh God created the heavens and the earth. Yeah. Um and and and it explains where where we how we were created. um not necessarily the shape of the earth. Uh but people like Dean Odel have looked
at scripture and sort of gleaned and this was mo pretty recently even for Dean Odel. I mean I think we're I think we were he started talking about this maybe in 2013. Um and so it's it's relatively recent for him as well. Um but basically Satan is hiding reality from us. Um, and part of the reason is is he is Satan does not want us to know what the Bible really says. Um, and so we're not fully uh trusting God, I guess. Um, now I haven't heard necessarily that Dodo believes that this is a salvific issue. Um, uh, he's a pastor. Uh, and so I I am guessing that, uh, believing the Bible is true is is part of being a Christian, but ultimately our salvation rests with Christ, right? uh Christ living and dying and being resurrected um and ascending to heaven. That's what Christians believe about how we are saved. Uh so this would be a a separate issue that is interesting to talk about. Now how do we know if you're going to go down this road of metaphors and idioms and figures of speech and poetry? How do we know the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus is true, right? We know it's true because it's in the Bible. Now, she'll bring up in one part they talk about, well, there's some evidence of that. Okay. Yeah. Well, there's some evidence of how God created the heavens and the earth. And I I played that because I want you to see. She says there's nowhere the Bible talks about the shape of the earth. That's a lie. That's a lie. Lie. lie. She didn't read the book. I know she did. She I I see her little places. She went through and real quickly and picked out stuff she thought she could attack. But let's let's look at this. Let's look at the Bible. All right. So, here's about the second coming, right? It says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven." And in Revelation six, it says, "All the stars, all the stars will fall, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, and then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven. And then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds with power and great glory, and he shall send his angels of the great sound of a trumpet. They shall gather his together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other." Now, this is where I really stumped my science teacher, brother, who is also a Christian, right? Because I brought up talking about the stars falling. And he starts talking about revelation. And he says, "Well, John probably just that's all he knew to call it, but he didn't know that it was going to be comets and asteroids and meteorites." I said, "Oh." I said, "Well, okay, I'll give you that one. Maybe John didn't understand." I said, 'But did Jesus know what stars
were? Because he said the stars would fall. So, is Jesus correct? Oh, you could tell his little blood started boiling, but he kept it just gritted his teeth with that one because this is what you have to deal with. This is not any type of obscure Old Testament passage. If you believe the heliocentric version of the universe, then the stars out there are billions of light years away or hundreds of millions of light years away. And they're bigger than our sun, our star. Wait a minute. I thought God said he made sun, moon, and stars. I I thought that the sun was the sun and the sun was not a star. But they say the sun's a star, right? So again, who you going to believe? Right? But if one star that they the way they describe it, the way the world describes it, one star falls to the earth, the earth is destroyed, right? I mean, because if just a small one killed all the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, and you know, that's crap right there. But I mean, one star falls. And of course, this is what Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson says. What does he say? make this case that that was the beginning and that there had to be something that provoked the beginning. Do you give them an A at least for trying to reconcile faith and reason? Um, I don't think they're reconcilable. What do you mean? Well, well, so let me say that differently. All efforts that have been invested by brilliant people of the past have failed at that exercise. They just fail. And so I don't I don't the track record is so poor that going forward I have essentially zero confidence near zero confidence that there would be fruitful things to emerge from the effort to reconcile it. So for example, if you if you knew nothing about science and you read say the Bible, the Old Testament, which in Genesis is an account of nature, that's that's what that is. And I said to you, give me your description of the natural world based only on this. You would say the world was created in six days and that stars are just little points of light much lesser than the sun. And that in fact, they can fall out of the sky, right? because that's what happens during during the um revelation dur one of the signs that the second coming is that the stars will fall out of the sky and land on earth. To even write that means you don't know what those things are. You have no concept of what the actual universe is. So everybody who tried to make proclamations about the physical universe based on Bible passages got the wrong answer. So what happened was when
science discovers things and you want to stay religious or you want to continue to believe that the Bible is is on airing what you would do is you would say well let me go back to the Bible and reinterpret it. Then you'd say things like oh they didn't really mean that literally they meant that figuratively. So this whole sort of reinterpretation of the fig how figurative the poetic passages of the Bible are came after science showed that this is not how things unfolded. And so the educated religious people are perfectly fine with that. It's the fundamentalists who want to say that the Bible is the literally literal truth of God that and want to see the Bible as a science textbook who are knocking on the science doors of the schools trying to put that content in the science. Uh enlightened religious people are not behaving that way. They're saying yes science is cool. We're good with that and use the Bible for to get your spiritual enlightenment and your emotional fulfillment. I have known serious religious people, not fundamentalist, who were scared when Carl Sean opened his series with the words, "The cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be." That scared them because they interpret that to mean then if this is it, there's nothing else. No God and no life after. for for religious people. Many people say, "Well, God is within you or God there ways that people have shaped this rather than God is an old gray bearded man in the clouds." So if God is within you, what I'm sure Carl would say in you, in your mind, in your mind, and we can measure the neurosaptic firings when you have a religious experience, we can tell you where that's happening, when it's happening, what you're feeling like at the time. So your mind of course is still within the cosmos. But do you have any sympathy for people who seem to feel only feel safe in the vastness of the universe you describe in your show if they can infer a personal god who makes it more hospitable to them who cares for them in this what we tell ourselves is a free country which means you should have freedom of thought it I don't care what you think I just don't go think whatever you want and I don't care what go ahead think that there's one gods, two gods, 10 gods or no gods. That is what it means to live in a free country. The problem arises is if you have a religious philosophy that is not based in objective realities that you then want to put in the science classroom, then I'm going to stand there and say, "No, I'm not going to allow you in the science classroom. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm just telling you in the science class, you're not doing science. This is not science. Keep it
out. That's where I That's when I stand up. Otherwise, go ahead. I I'm I'm not telling you how to think. If the smartest chip equals our target. All right. Now, goodness. I don't think What slide are we on here? What's that? Oh, we are not getting through this. part two. There's going to have to be part two, I suppose. But let me finish with this. I'm going to let you hear this atheist here. And uh this is why you you as science has grown, Christianity has shrunken. And many fundamental things in Christianity were obliterated centuries ago. And Christianity hasn't quite realized it. It's sort of uh the walking dead in my opinion. Let me give you some examples. Um, with the de divine the the development of astronomy, the biblical system of the universe collapsed. The Bible describes a three-story universe. Heaven is a solid sphere, a hemisphere that arches over the earth. The raka in Hebrew, the firmamentum in Latin, the firmament in the King James Bible. There was water above there. That's why the sky is blue. And somewhere above that is the abode of heaven of of God and the angels. We are down here on this flat earth. The Bible is definitely a flat earth book. And below us in the subellar is Shaol or hell. Now with the development of telescopes and the discovery that the earth goes around the sun and that the earth is a sphere, some very important biblical ideas were shattered. Heaven, for example, which was a physical thing up there, heaven has gotten lost. Nobody knows where it is. It has moved outside the realm of space and time. It is in some other dimension, I suppose. And like hell, like heaven, hell too uh has been displaced. Uh it's no longer down in the basement. It's it's not at the Moharavich discontinuity. It's not in the mantle. Uh, nobody knows where the hell hell is. Now, as long as we had this three-story universe with a physical heavens to which the sun and the moon and the stars were attached, the magi could very easily follow a star which was not many thousand feet above them. Uh, they could follow the star to the birthplace of of Jesus. But without the firmament uh and the stars many light years away, the magi could not do that. The ascension of Jesus for example um in light of what we really have that we are a planet flying through outer space. The ascension of Jesus now is
seen not to be a miracle but a simple absurdity. Uh Jesus supposedly lifted off the launching of the Lord. And where did he go? He was thought to be going up to heaven, which was just up there. But in reality, we know he would have been going into outer space. Now, what would he do to survive in outer space? You see, Jesus was still breathing after the resurrection. We are told that Jesus breathed on the disciples to give them the Holy Ghost. And we'll have more to say about the Holy Ghost and spirit in a moment. But anyway, he probably should. Now, I'm stopping it right there because I I played these at the uh at the debate and some of you remember this, some of you don't. Of course, this is a study about how young people's faith have been impacted once they've gone to the university to hear all this crap. And I'm going to have to it's going to have to be part two. Part two, I'm going to get into the scriptures a whole lot more about the nature of creation. All the verses about that describe the shape of the earth. I'm going to get into the ends of the earth, what that is. Uh I've got 152 slides. We're not going to get through them today. It's just not going to happen. Uh but I wanted you to see that this is being attacked for a reason. If we were this small tiny little fringe of conspiracy theorists, you know, would USA Today decide to attack? Would these big Christian influencers decide to attack? Why would congressmen worry about censoring us, telling Google they must censor us, telling Facebook they must censor us? See, I'm just going to tell you a little clue. We must be winning or they wouldn't bother with us at all. And just so you can see this, let's see, let me find this. It's right here. This was in 2018. Forbes magazine, Microsoft, a study. Now, think about this. 2018, seven years ago, that only twothirds of American millennials believe the earth is round or sphere. Can you imagine where we are now? This is what they know. They are losing a generation to the truth of creation. And that's going to pose a
problem for them when they bring in the Antichrist system and the alien deception and the mark of the beast. It's going to cause a problem because these all these young people go, you know what? I don't trust the government or much of the scientific community or the pharmaceutical and medical community. I don't trust them because they've lied to us and and done all kind of bad things. But you know what? I'm finding that the Bible's actually true. See, God promised especially he would pour out his spirit on all flesh in the last days. Particularly, he said, your sons and your daughters. You see, the devil is scared to death because he's losing the young people. Folks, we are going to see a revival through this truth and a lot of other things as we get closer and closer to the second coming of Jesus because he promised there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. Everything done in secrets being shouted from the rooftops. I'm going to get into the government documents that had to be foyed to get them. Freedom of Information Act as the She wants a whistleblower. The Freedom of Information Act is the greatest whistleblower we've ever had. And you know what I believe? I believe God made them do it because everything done in secret has to be shouted from the rooftops. That's it's a law. It's what Jesus said. So, you're going to know the truth about the shape of the earth, what the firmament is, what the ends of the earth really are from the Bible and from their own documents that admit it to be true. And that's what I find weird, too. I'm I'm the one that put out I was the first one that put out all the government documents way back 2017, 2018. And um I'm amazed that the newspapers when I was speaking at the conference in North Carolina in 2017, ABC, NBC, CBS, Night Line, uh BBC was there, everybody. They would not put up one government document that I put up that said that we live on a nonrotating flat earth. Not one. I challenged them. They were sitting in the room. I said, "I dare you. Double dog dare you. Put it up. Put this up on your TV set. Not some goofball out in the parking lot that looks like a clown. Put this truth on the news." They're not going to put No. See, they just proved right there. None of it's real news. It's all fake news. Trump's right about that. It's fake news. They will not tell certain things.
And what I'm finding is like this is why I have a problem with Alex Jones because Alex Jones is into every conspiracy and conspiracy theory that exists, but he won't accept this one. He's had people around him and I knew I said he's he's in that position for one thing. Stop this. They know that this is the most powerful truth for this time that will lead people to the truth of the Bible and to ultimately to find Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior because it's something very tangible where we can show evidence like our test across Mobile Bay. We can prove it's flat. And guess what? We can prove it with math. How about that? With math. And the math don't lie. Amen. Y'all ready for part two? All right. We're going to take a quick break and we're going to come back now. [Applause] No, we got to let these these children eat. So let's stand. We're going to pray. Not truly Christians or they like Peter was when Jesus had to say get behind me like they were allowing the enemy to use them. Yeah, I I just want to say was I was listening to those two ladies there on their podcast that either the two of them are not truly Christian and cannot receive the truth of God's word or they were like Peter when Jesus was telling the disciples he had to go to the cross and everything he had to do and and Jesus had to rebuke Peter and said get thee behind me Satan in that moment sat Peter was allowing Satan to speak through him and to he was looking through the perspective of Satan's lens so either those ladies are allowing Satan to use them and they are Christians or they're not truly born again Christians and cannot receive the truth of God's word. Amen. I agree with that 100%. All right. Can we bow our heads and say a prayer? Thank you, Lord. Father God, we we bless these two ladies, Melissa and I think it's Lindsay. We bless them and we pray their eyes will be opened and their hearts will be touched and changed. uh that they will see the truth of your word from Genesis to Revelation, Lord. That every word that proceeds from your mouth and that has proceeded from your mouth is important and full of doctrine and is profitable and inspired by you, Lord. And so, Lord, I pray that they
would see that and they would understand the things that they're saying. And even if they're enemies, Lord, even if they're infiltrators, pretenders, I pray you break them down. Yes. Yes, Lord. Like you did Solitarsis, and bring them to repentance and true faith in your atoning sacrifice on the cross and your resurrection from the dead. and what it means to repent and surrender their lives to you to become true disciples of Jesus who follow the word of God, the written word and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Father, I ask you again for everyone here, those watching and listening, those who will, that truly you will give unto them the spirit of wisdom and revelation, that the eyes of their understanding would be enlightened, that they would know the hope of your calling and your truth, Lord, from Genesis to Revelation. We pray this today in Jesus name. Amen. And amen. All right, you know the drill. Hug some next before you leave. Uh, real quick, we need to remind you out there that August the 1st is coming up really fast. It'll sneak up on you. If you want to be in Fire and Grace School of Ministry, uh, next year or this coming fall for the next year, then you need to get your applications in ASAP. God bless y'all. See you later.