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You know, You know, um You take a lot of heat for doing stuff preaching stuff like I've preached over the years. Um You know, I'm just uh here. Sorry. I'm just uh You know, there's uh just the amazing support we've had from day one when all this started blowing up. The messages, the emails, the encouragement, you know, I didn't realize there was there was uh more of us than I knew. And you know, again, I think I think the other side of this issue doesn't understand why we are so passionate about it. It's not just about the shape of the Earth or the cosmology here. It's about the integrity of GOD'S WORD. AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T agree are not Christians or not born again or not going to heaven or I'm not saying that, but you know, as I've walked with the Lord over the years, you know, he wants to continue to lead us and guide us into all truth. And we but we can say no. We can say I'm not willing to grow for it. And every denomination, every denomination that's out there started out with truth and God moving in their midst and Jesus being exalted and people being saved and then God wanted to take them to the next step and they said no. And now you got a denomination. And then another group comes along and they say, "Well, no, this this is in the Bible. This is in the word." And the other group says, "No, we don't agree with you." And they're like, "Well, we have to go start another thing." Because we have to continue to grow the kingdom of God. And there's a there's a verse in Psalm 92 it says, "Those that be planted in the house of the Lord shall flourish in the courts of their God." Again, this is one of those things where you have to know and have to look up the original word, but the original word when it says planted in the Hebrew is not planted, it's transplanted. Okay? And the word transplanted, you know what that is? When we put a plant in a pot and it grows as much as it can in that pot. And that pot is restricting it from
growing anymore, it has to be moved to another pot or put out in the yard somewhere so it can keep growing. And there's just places that are going to say, "That's it." And you know what? It's it's it's sad. I didn't I didn't want it to get to the point where Greg says, "You know what? If you don't agree, don't come back." I mean, I didn't want that to happen. And you know, we weren't broadcasting a minute ago, so what I I was saying we didn't didn't get broadcast out there, but I'm going to say it. We don't hate Greg. We're not against Pastor Greg. We love Pastor Greg and we're going to be continuing to pray for him and bless him and just bring down all news in his life. There's no But we are not going to sit around and just be ridiculed, called names, put down, uh mocked. Interrupted. Interrupted. And just say, "Well, you can do that." And that's why I know some of there there's some people thought, "Well, you know, Pastor Andy, you got a little fire in there again, too." Well, here's the thing. I am a man and I ain't going to let another man bulldoze me. And I'm not perfect. I did the best I could, yeah, you know, with what I had to deal with. And I really wasn't throwing the mic at him. I was And I'm like, "Now he's saying I threw the mic at him." So, of course But see, even that right there is misrepresenting what happened. He said he said he was. But again, what's amazing is that I think again, this room is so packed tonight is because I think everybody can solve their own lives. Um again, you know, I don't People come to my church, I don't say you have to believe the earth is flat or in biblical cosmology to be here at church. You know, you don't have to do that, but um anyway, we we get so dogmatic. But what I want to do is I'm going to give y'all I know some had asked about, you know, the rebuttal last night that I didn't get to give it. And I'm going to share that and then we're going to open up the Q&A and just let y'all ask some questions. We got We got another mic. Uh so, which one of you going to run the mic around? You're going to run the mic around the people. Um And Dave, before you leave, I want to If you got a If you have a word you want to share, I want you to come share it. Um Nathan, you too, if you have something you want to share. Um God love you guys. I love these guys. And we've had our disagreements in the past and you know, we've all butted heads a little bit. You know, even me and Jarren butted heads a little bit, but we're We're getting along better now. I don't But that happens. I think we're human beings. So that the the head-butting and misunderstanding people and or getting upset with people or whatever, we're going to have those things. It's just And sometimes we don't respond correctly. I I had to apologize to Nathan last night and I apologized to you. Yes, sir, you did. All right.
Love you, too. Now, so, you know, everybody has to humble themselves sometimes and say, "You know what? I was wrong and I apologize." Now, do you know how much good that does? Especially husbands and wives when you say, "I was wrong. I'm sorry." You know? I was wrong. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have done that. Um well, the kingdom of God and and households would be a lot more peaceful, right? I know some of us husbands are the most stubborn of all of our lives. We know we're wrong and we won't say we're wrong. But we know we are. Right? But here we go. Let me Let's get into this a little bit just so you all know. So, some people have asked, and of course, I think one of the things that set him off Hebrews 11:3. He brought that up. I didn't. So, he brings up Hebrews 11:3, which says, "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen are not made of things which do appear." And of course, y'all know he said that those worlds were planets and you know, I guess the you know, the heliocentric universe is what he believed, but he got really mad when I said that Y'all see either doesn't know or hasn't looked up the actual Greek word there is eon. And if you look it up, it means age or time or season of time. And I think that just really was probably what put the the nail in the coffin there. Um that was That was pretty much the end. But I want to talk about too what he said about Psalm 103. If you have your Bibles or your phone, you want to turn to Psalm 103 because somebody wanted to ask about this whole east west thing and then what he said about the mercy of God and forgiveness of God and that we are limiting that. Um Yeah. Crazy. All right. But you you know, I I was going to address it and did just didn't get the opportunity to. But we'll turn to Psalm 103. And let's see. What verses were we using? I don't remember. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Letter in here in 12. He said, "Okay, this scripture is what it says. The heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." And so he tried to say, "I- It's amazing that he for a minute there acknowledged that we believe in the firmament dome and he's thinking, of course, that is a heaven." Now, but remember that when I was sharing that I said the Bible teaches the Apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthians 12 that there are he went to the third heaven and where God is and he said, "I saw unspeakable things that a man is not allowed to utter." So Paul was called up to the third heaven. The third heaven is where the throne of God is. It is where the mansions are. It is I have seen it twice. God has opened the door for me to see this. When I was called me to the ministry, he opened heaven. I saw him
standing there. I saw the glory of the Father. I actually saw how the Trinity looks. And the glory of God and the power of God was so strong that I actually thought Jesus was coming in that moment. That's how powerful it was. It was an open vision. I was wide awake. The room went away and opened up and I saw Jesus and I saw heaven. And the Lord's allowed me to see it a couple of other times and I can just tell you that it's beautiful and it's powerful and there's there's nothing but peace and love and just sheer power that doesn't hurt you, but it's almost overwhelming. And um I'm sitting here and he's saying this and he's saying like we think that that that's what he's talking about here. But whenever God got you look at the context here if our atmosphere is a heaven, one heaven, called the open firmament heaven. Then the firmament, the solid firmament dome is the second heaven. And the third heaven is there. We don't believe that there's any limit to the third heaven where God dwells. And that one day, according to Revelation chapter 12, he says he's going to roll back the heaven or the firmament like a scroll and do away with it. Now, here where I'm going is he's going to do away with it. So, really we're going to be able to see and if listen, when God said little fear not little flock, it is my father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Listen to me. If you if you love Jesus, if you're born again, if you if you know the Lord God Almighty, you get everything. You inherit everything. It said the meek inherit the earth. Guess what? We get the earth. We get heaven, we get the new Jerusalem. Everything God has for us. We get it. All right. Now, I believe this because of and we can turn to this, Proverbs 8. Let's turn to Proverbs 8 real quick. Cuz about when the firmament is removed, what are we going to find? Cuz it's a temporary thing. Proverbs 8. Should I read it there? I just Did I say it again? Let me make sure I'm in the right place. Yeah. I am so exhausted, y'all. I can't even tell you. There you go. All right, yeah. Let's start here with it. All right. Yeah, verse 31. All right. Rejoicing, he says here, "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth and my delightful with the sons of men." I remember reading that one day and the Lord was like, you know, and he brought up Acts 17. And Acts 17 literally means there is a limit to where we can go. Like, because of the
the firmament. We can only go so far. I believe they found it. I believe Admiral Byrd found it. And they know we can't go beyond that. But when the firmament is removed, and God's going to remove it, I think we're going to discover that east and west do go unendingly. You hear me? And it's not hard to just to understand that you know, there's there's this habitable part right now and inhabitable part right now. And God's going to remove that firmament. And not only is heaven going to be open to us, the third heaven, but all the earth that he created. And I believe there is much more. And that's why, you think about this, he says in the book of Revelation that even after He's going to allow that We're going to have that for a thousand years. And then he says he's going to create a new heavens and a new earth. Well, what's that mean? Now, he said the earth will be forever. So, I mean, I believe we're going to keep this original part and he's going to keep making more. I just think God is eternal. He is infinite. And I think that he said that it had It cannot even enter our hearts what he has prepared for those that love him. And there is going to be no end to the the creation, to his providing for us, to the joy of being with him for all eternity. Let me put it this way. Another way to put it is he's never going to get bored. Amen. We're not going to be bored. We're not going to be little cherub babies on a cloud playing, you know, a harp up there and that's all we do. No, that's not God's got plans for us that go way you know, right here. This this time that we live if we live 80 or 90 years we think that's a long time. That's a just a blip on the screen. And that's why we have to prepare for eternity. But that argument absolutely ridiculous. And he just kept doing that, too. Things that we don't believe, putting that up as as we believe it and arguing that point over and over and over again. I loved his debate with Nathan Roberts last night. It is it is pretty crazy. Also, of course, you know, he said don't bring up the Book of Enoch. Now, here's what's interesting. I knew he was going to have an issue with the Book of Enoch. So, I didn't mention it. Yeah. So, I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? I didn't even talk about the Book of Enoch. Again, he was debating somebody else cuz I didn't bring it up. But I'm about to do an entire series on the Book of Enoch and all the stuff. The Book of Enoch one is legit. Now, it may not be perfect. You have different
translations and there's some things that are different in different translations, but the main meat of it is the Book of Enoch. It has been preserved for us. So, now, am I going to put it on the same level as this? No, because I know the translation we we just had issues with translation and manuscript data. But still, I've read through the whole thing and I don't find it contradicting the Bible anywhere. All right. Now, there's some things in it that are hard to understand. And we probably learned it. I don't understand these chambers of the sun and all this stuff. I don't get it. But, guess what? We don't have to understand everything immediately. I don't understand everything in the Bible right now, either. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? I always tell the Lord, "I don't get this. Please help me understand." We're not going to understand everything. Um so, I thought that was funny, but I was going to deal with that saying, "I never wrote what you mean by that. So, what are you talking about?" Um he said the footstool was figurative. That's just a metaphor. It's just figurative language. But, yet, I just had gone over the scriptures where it said God's throne is upon the firmament and and his throne sitting there. Well, where's his feet going to be? And then he had the audacity to say that God doesn't have feet. Yet, Moses took the 70 elders up on the mountain to show them the Lord. And the Lord only showed them what? His feet upon a blue sapphire TRANSLUCENT PAVEMENT. AND I WAS I WAS JUST SITTING THERE YEAH. EXACTLY. He's got feet. Yeah. And and Jesus and listen, a lot of people think Jesus Some people have this idea of Jesus that he was a man like us. That he was just born and he wasn't God in the flesh. And I know this is hard for some people to grasp. But, Jesus has always been. He is He is called the word. And it says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us. But, you all see what's hard for us to grasp is that with God there is Well, he says things like the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. We try to get the concept of that within the understanding of time that we have. But, you understand with God there is no time? With him, past, present, future is all together at the same time with him. So, in in the firmament, he is outside of time. He created time for us to live in. He's outside of it. So, it's just I it it just boggles my mind where he wanted to go with that. The footstool's figurative. I just told you, man, God's throne was seated upon the sea of glass. Now, now, let me ask you something. Especially that firmament that I wanted to Did I not go from Genesis to Job, right, to Ezekiel, and to Revelation? Psalms, yeah.
And he Did he answer any of that? Did not. And and it's a literal thing. And so, anyway, that you know, most of I I contacted and I didn't even say this too last night, but I contacted uh Creation Museum in Texas before this. I sent them an email. I actually called them and they didn't couldn't give me an answer, so they said somebody will Just just send an email, they'll answer you back. I asked them about the firmament. What do you What do y'all believe the firmament is? You know what they told me? There's actually more than one firmament. There's five firmaments. And would it not God said he created the firmament, not five firmaments. It It's in It is insane. And these are Christians. And it's insane what what people try to do to the word of God like adding to it. Where it doesn't say anywhere there's five firmaments. It says there's one. It tells us what it is. Tells us what it looks like. Tells us the the structure it looks like. Tells us what it's made out of. Yeah. Even Siri knows it. Even Even Siri knows what the firmament is. Yeah. Um again, you can say, "Well, I don't believe it." But you can't say it's not the the And you can't say it's figurative. I mean, think about this. The firmament is day two of creation, the whole day. I mean, what was God doing? If there's nothing to it, if it's figurative, if it's poetic, what was he doing with the whole day? And if the firmament's not literal, how can you say the sun's literal? Or you know what I'm saying? It's in the creation story at the beginning. So, the firmament is the most passages have no clue what it is. And what's funny is I have talked to some Christians and some Christian ministers and and and before before the debate, I have gone through those scriptures sitting in that somebody's living room going through those scriptures and showing them and then I asked him, "What is the firmament?" They said, "I don't know." I said, "I just told you. I just showed you." And I mean, this is how the brainwashing is so strong. But again, hear me. I we we must understand. We were all there. We were all there believing all of that stuff. So, we got to remember to be patient with people that don't get it. But it is amazing, especially those of us saying that we are born-again Christians and we believe the Bible to be true, every word inspired by God, and yet we ignore this whole day two of creation of what it is. And then of course, you know, he tried to trash the verse that I named my book after in Job 38:14. And you know, we had a little discussion. My my wife and daughter and you know that everybody met Nancy and Faith. Everybody know my You know that we're Faith. Everybody know my wife is Nancy. There's Nancy. We're Faith. Say hello Faith. My baby. This is our baby, Faith. Say hello. But we had this conversation in the car when we're coming over today. You know,
we're talking about how he would you know, he tried to trash that verse and say it was about the sun. And and the verses before it, yes, are talking about the sun. But this is a simple grammar lesson, okay? Yeah. When you have a subject, the sun, you'll be talking about it. And then the subject changes in the next verse and it says the earth, the wicked will be shaken out of the earth, right? So it uses the subject there, right? The earth. And then the next verse in the King James it says it. Well, whenever you do that, like I said, I said, "Let's say uh you know, I said I said Nancy is going to the store and Faith is going with her and she right? If my last subject was Faith and I say she after it, I'm talking about Faith. And if your last subject was earth and the next thing you say is it, and that's why many translators of the different translations of the Bible that we have put earth and not it in there because they knew simple rules of grammar. All right? So that's why but see, I wasn't going to I wasn't even going to go there, so I just said, "Look, we're just going to have to disagree. You have your interpretation and I have mine." We'll let them decide, um but that's why I said and that's why I knew he was going to do that, so that's why I had the other verses, the Isaiah verses about God's sister. Every time it says he spread out the earth when he made it and the word spread means pound, press, stamp. The same imagery that he gives in Job 38. So I had three at least three more witnesses of the scriptures to add. And you know, I actually had never used those or preached on them before until last night. That was the first time I gave those verses. So I mean, if you need more Bible than Job 38:14, then you got all right. Um And that's well, I guess that's about my notes. That's about it. So, here what we're going to do, what we're going to do is we're going to have a Q&A time. So, uh where's our mic? You got a mic? All right. Who wants to be first? Right there. I just had to ask this. Are you going to take him up on the air after the trip? You got to do it. I would love to go to Antarctica, but I am not going with Greg. He couldn't afford to go. He does not understand anyway the realities and the it's not going to happen. I mean, I would love to go. In fact, I said a few weeks ago I would love to go for a week in the summer and let's let's
check on how that sun looks cuz they keep they keep hiding that promise. Did Say that again. I've got a friend who's in Antarctica right now. She said there's no 24-hour sun. It rises and sets. If you don't have 24-hour sun in their summertime, if it's not doing a 360° around it like it does the the north, then it's not about it. Simple. Simple. Um and that's why they doctor You know, Jared did a great job on that. I I rewatched his video and I guess it was from several years ago where he actually emailed him and said, "Hey, why why can't we get 24 footage of the sun and the shadows doing a complete 360° circle there?" And they just made up some lame excuses. It was pitiful. Like, "Oh, but we can't It's too cold here. We can't run the cameras 24 hours a day." I mean, really? But you took them to the moon. So, in the in the in the in the shade, -250°, and then, you know, in the sunlight, +250°. So, how did this camera How did the film survive? Everything in 60s technology. Yeah, 1960s technology. So, it's insane. But, uh Good question. It's a fun question. Well, we'll see what happens. Um next, yes. One question. I just wanted to Thank you, sir. Um I just want to add to what you said um last night, you said that um that you thought the Aurora Borealis was the glory of God. And um I know a lot of people don't believe in the timeline that I believe in, and that's totally fine. But I wanted to give you um I don't I don't know if you've read Isaiah 4, chapter 4. It's only six verses, but um it's really interesting if you'll indulge me for a minute. All right, thank you. It says uh It says, "In that day, seven women shall take hold of one man." I believe that's the seven churches of Asia, and the one man is Jesus. Um "We will eat our own bread, wear our own apparel, only let us be called by thy name by thy name. Take away our reproach. In that day, shall branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped from Israel." "And it shall come to pass that he that is left in Zion, and that remaineth in Jerusalem shall be called holy. Everyone that is written among the living in Jerusalem, when the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have And shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by a spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning which is the Holy Spirit. And this is the punchline. And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion and over assembly over her assemblies a
cloud and smoke by day and the shining of a flaming fire by night. For upon all the glory there shall be a defense. And in the in the ESV version it says there should be a camp over or basically over the North Pole. Um which is probably why we can't see Mount Zion. But anyways Uh I just wanted to share that with you. Thanks. Amen. Amen. Yeah, that's good. What verse is it? This verse. All right. So before Leave room. Yeah, leave room. Yeah. So after your presentation actually I I knew Pastor Vance was going to be sharing that next box in there. Um I must say before I ask this question if it wasn't for your prior verse full of ministry I would have no knowledge or understanding to this. And I actually even made a comment to Pastor Nancy after the whole thing. But did you anticipate him trying to cuz we have biblical hermeneutics and we have seminary hermeneutics. Did you anticipate him cuz I knew he was going to go this direction but it seemed like he was just he had no understanding of biblical hermeneutics. He didn't understand how to break it down. And so did you anticipate him doing that before you factored whatever you did in your presentation? Well, just from his couple of rants I knew like you know, there wasn't going to be any congruent you know, teaching of the subject or breakdown of words or context or anything like that. I I knew it was going to be a hodgepodge of stuff. Cuz really okay most of you know this. If you study this through the scriptures I mean how many of you have? All right? And you look at all these verses on creation, you look at all of them, you you go deeper and you look at the Hebrew and Greek and Arabic words, you look you you dig into it. I was I was really sitting there thinking the whole time, where did does he think he has to go with this? I mean, there's nowhere you can go. I mean, just like when I I would I would say there is no scripture in the Bible that refers to the earth as a sphere or a ball. It's not there. So, what are you going to do? What gymnastics are you going to do? So, I knew it was I knew it wasn't going to be logical or hermeneutically based, and you know, that's why I told Dr. John strategies. I'm sorry I tore your name up last night because uh my mouth was so dry it wouldn't work. Um but uh you know, long time ago when I talked to him and and he said, you know, he's PhD and he dean of seminary and I said, "Look, if I'm wrong early on, am I wrong about Hebrew words that I'm looking up in these lexicons? And am I misinterpreting my thinking things out of context?" And he he said, "No, you're absolutely not." And I I actually sent you Remember I had a list of what is biblical hermeneutics, kind of a breakdown. I said, "Is this correct?" And he said, "Yes." And so, you know, I I when I study this, I I talk to people like this who are no more than I do. They're smarter than me in areas, you know? That's why we had a PhD in physics
and we had um you know, other internet That's why I called Dave, you know? And I I know Dave Dave's been keeping up with what's going on in in the flat earth world more than me. They're making more videos than this. So, I knew his his mind and memory about this stuff would be sharp. And that's why I immediately I called Dave Dave Weiss immediately. Um because I I don't know I don't know I don't know what but one thing I knew was he he wouldn't have any scripture to say it's a ball, you know, you know, or to say that it's moving or spinning or orbiting. He had nothing. So, he just had That's why when he got up he just went everywhere. Why it really didn't make sense. And um And you know, I understand that he's more of a preacher and I'm more of a teacher. And teachers break things down. And preachers like to take a verse and run with it. Which is Yeah. So, you know, we're we're different in that regard, but when it came to this, you have to go through the scriptures correctly. You have to use the laws of hermeneutics. It's just the the laws of interpreting the Bible. And one of the first One of those first laws is let the Bible interpret the Bible. Right? And context, and grammar, and history. I mean, I think I used all those things. Grammar, history, context. Um I tried my best anyways to make it clear, but I It appears that it was made clear to a lot of you. Right? That it's That is bothering you. Great question. Thank you, brother. Yes. Yes, I used to run the Flat Earth Society group in the world for 6 years. I'd ask all the globbers, "Just show me the 24-hour sun in Antarctica." And they couldn't do it. And then the group got deleted and we got censored. Um but the other thing that Gray wanted to do was take a gondola 110,000 ft. I don't know if he knows this, but mainstream science and Neil deGrasse Tyson admit the Earth is flat from 120,000 ft. You can't see Earth curve. When Felix Baumgartner went up, it was a fish-eye lens that made the Earth look curved. And two other things, the Earth didn't rotate under Felix for the 3 hours that he ascended. He landed back in New Mexico. He should have been in New Mexico. And he slowed down as he approached the Earth because of the density of the air. Gravity says it's getting exponentially stronger as he gets close to the Earth. So, why is he not speeding up? That Red Bull space jump debunked Earth curve, rotation of the Earth, and gravity in one fell swoop. And Gray hasn't even researched it. He still wants to go look at a flat earth for 120,000 people. What's going on there, dude? A lot of people said that they realized that he really didn't prepare for this. You know, because yeah, I in fact, I had a video that was going to go through all the fish eye stuff and I just skipped over it. I mean, and it was like I skipped over a lot of stuff. I I hated having to skip over cuz you know, I was
initially told by Pastor Jack that I would have as much time as I wanted. 6 hours, buddy. And I thought, well, I'll take two. You know, you know, I had 244 slides. I'll take 2 hours. But then he kept moving the goal posts and changing the rules about, you know, cuz I asked him, are you going to stick to what you said about how we're going to do the format? He goes, oh, no, we're we're going to massage that. Yeah, I have the text message. We're going to text. So then I asked him on a Wednesday, I need to know the format. At one point I even suggested that we need to get a moderator. I need to know the format. Wouldn't answer me. Wouldn't answer me. Wouldn't answer me. Wednesday, I have a text where we're texting back and forth and I say, what is going to be the format at the end of the of the debate? Oh, I'll I'll send it to you tomorrow. Didn't ever get it. Do you know when he told me how we were going to do it? When I got there last time. And so that in itself, I I will say this and this this irritated me. I don't know why. But he did not keep his word through the whole thing. Kept changing it. Kept changing it and I'm like, why do you even want to do that? You know, if I if I had a a visiting pastor coming in or minister coming in and I tell them, you know, they need to know, well, hey, where where can I stay or you know, how are we going to do this? Kind of kind of how do you do your research? I'm going to tell them everything they need to know. I'm going to try to make them feel comfortable. Um, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. He knew he was lying when he said that, too. But No. No. No even parking. I wouldn't I wouldn't even go through it. I'm just like it was like every step was made to frustrate and to, you know, so I don't know. It's just a lot of games being played. But next question Hi, it's Tammy. Um and I want to say we've been we've been into this since 2015 and um things have kind of slowed down, but this has re- reviewed my excitement for sharing all of this. But um met you in 2013 at the conference, but um I want you to address Greg's email to regarding the Logos Bible Software. Oh, yes. Okay. And this is a sad thing right here. Okay. Dr. Michael Heiser um worked for Logos Software. He was a PhD professor theology. I don't How many of you know about Dr. Michael Heiser? Quite a few of you. Okay. Um I watched Dr. Heiser's entire series of lectures on biblical Hebrew, as he would call it, Hebrew cosmology. And it was a beautiful presentation. He's actually the one that came up with that illustration. And he used it in his lectures in in the seminary. And and he explained he he went through the scriptures and said, "This is what the Bible teaches." He literally said, "A
flat Earth, hell beneath, the dome firmament, heaven above, God's throne above, the sun, moon, stars moving." He taught the entire thing and he said, "Dr. Michael Heiser said, 'This is what the Bible teaches, but they just didn't know what we know now.'" Cuz man is smarter than God. Yes. But let me tell you what happened to Dr. Michael Because he did that. He lost his job. Everything began to fall apart and he just recently died of cancer. Now, we can say oh, that's just coincidence. But I remember when I saw him do that, when I saw him say this is what the Bible teaches, but it's not correct. I thought, you are in trouble. Now, I I I appreciated that Dr. Michael Heiser admitted that. But see, that's what Logos Bible Software stands is. Yes, that's what the Bible teaches, but we don't believe it. Right? So, that's what Greg's Greg got the email from basically what Dr. Michael Heiser believed and what they taught. So, it it an amazing We know this is what the Bible teaches, but we don't believe that. Um but so, that's all he was bringing up. He sit there going, oh, that's the Oh, he didn't Let me tell you, I don't have I think I It's on the flyer, actually. The flyer that went everywhere, even in Charisma magazine. Y'all know Charisma magazine posted about the debate twice? An article. I was like, well, the article But in the they used the um they used the uh flyer, I guess the the the digital flyer that my wife made and she put a very old picture of the Hebrew cosmology long before uh Logos Bible Software made it and it was the same type thing. It was the same firmament, God's throne above it, sun, moon, and stars in the firmament, inside the tent, and hell underneath. And these were in Bibles in the 1950s and 1960s. Um so, that's the illustration we used. But again, but again, he's calling it something that again, he doesn't know the history of. He doesn't know the backstory of, just trying to throw it out as some, you know, like he's got some kind of, you know, Oh, yeah, we got I got you. I guess I got you moment. No, you didn't get anything. I mean, And we we got a lot of people There's a lot of seminary professors and atheists as well that will say, "The Bible teaches a flat, still, stable, non-moving earth with the dome over it, heaven above it, hell beneath it." And they'll they'll say that that's what the Bible teaches, but we don't believe it. Because we know what science has told us. All right? So, All right, thank you.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead. I just want you to address, um, the Why is so important that Lucifer propagate this lie? What was his strategy behind it? Well, it's it's simple. If Okay, if God And this is why I believe the Bible is unique to anything that's ever been written, all right? Because God gave great details about things. So, especially like prophecy. Let's Let's use the example of prophecy. Long before Jesus, God Almighty became a man and came here to the earth, he had prophets foretell he'd be born in Bethlehem. He had prophets foretell that his hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22, a thousand years before he was born. That his hands and feet would be pierced, they'd part uh, his his garments and they'd cast lots for his garments. These are details that his ministry of healing would happen starting in Galilee. I mean, these are great details about Jesus' first coming so that people would know you can trust this book. You can trust my prophets and my apostles. Okay? And so God gave great and specific details about creation. Just like I don't know how many of you seen my Antarctica in the Bible? You haven't seen that? Oh, wow. A lot of you haven't. Oh, you watch that one. Um because God showed me the details about Antarctica. Do you know the Bible says at the ends of the earth is the treasury of the winds? That's right. Treasury meaning treasury means abundant, right? Just everywhere. I got articles about Antarctica is the windiest place on the earth. Now, how could a Hebrew prophet in Israel in the Middle East know about what was going on with the wind in Antarctica? Impossible. He said about the ends of the earth it's the place where the waves stop making noise. And guess what? Every beach on the world is waves making noise except there, silence. And I showed you videos of it. He says it's it's what? It says it's the highest place. So even the place, you know, I have CIA declassified documents that say most of the coast land comes to that 200-ft cliff that you see, the ice wall. But the other places where there's openings are still mountains there. Okay? Because it says that Antarctica is the highest place on the earth. Cool. Mountains, ice wall, why? These are things that are all in the Bible. Right? He talked about the vapors coming from the the ends of the earth, vapors, right? Well, what I found it out is that there's over a hundred volcanoes
in Antarctica that are constantly and and you know what? It's not climate change. y'all. There's certainly not the ice there. It's the climate So, what I'm saying is the Bible gave these details. I mean, and so these details were there about creation so that people can know he's the creator. That the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, El Shaddai, and you know, we go through his name, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Yeshua. So, they would know that he is the creator cuz he gave these specific details. Because he put that He put prophecy He said, "I put these prophecies in there and I put these things in the Bible so you would know and believe." That's what he said. He didn't say He said, "I told you before so when the things come to pass, you will believe." Everything about it, the truth of creation, Bible prophecy, all of it is to bring us to know Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and to be saved and to be with God for all eternity. That is what it's all about. So, if creation and all these details about creation, the earth is not moving, it's still and at rest. There's a firmament, dome water. The sun and the moon are small and close, meaning sometimes you see clouds behind them. These kind of things, these kind of details are there so you will believe. And he Satan had to come in and change them so that he could get people to say the Bible's not true, you can't trust it. And remember, Satan's priority, his main priority, he knows we're all made in the image of God. Therefore, every time he looks at one of us, he hates us. And he wants to take as many people It's like a monster. He wants to take as many people to hell with him as he can. And that's his That's his goal, to deceive people, lead people away from God from finding Jesus as their Lord and Savior. So, he will twist and turn anything he can and to me the twisting of God's creation and changing, making it exactly the opposite of what God said it is and having people in authority with the white coat saying this is the way it is. We're scientists, trust us. But see, here's what God does. You know You know in 2 Thessalonians, God said in the end time he said if you don't love the truth and when he was talking about the truth Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life. And Jesus said the word of God, the scriptures are the truth. And he said if you don't love the truth God said I'm going to basically send or allow a strong delusion to come into your life and your mind and heart and you're going to believe a lie. So, you have to love the truth. And see, that's why that's why look, even some of the people out here that that have come to flat Earth biblical cosmology and still haven't come to Jesus fully yet. They've come to this point though
because they have been searching for truth and I applaud that. They're still searching for truth and they're not all the way there where where I am or where you some of you are with Jesus, but because they were searching for truth and hungry for truth deep in their heart, God has brought them to this truth and I believe it's going to be a another step. Because because again, there is no one like Jesus. There is no one. And I know people you know, I got I got a lot of flack at the 2017 the first flat Earth International Conference because I said Jesus is the only way and he is. He's the only way. And I know that's offensive to some people. But there's no other book. The Quran, the the Hindu Vedas, the There's no religious writings in the world that foretold their leader where he would be born, how he would die, the actual exact time he would come and die and raise from the dead. There's no There's no book saying hundreds of years ago saying Muhammad is going to come. None. So, I'm just saying it's you need the the devil's biggest goal, keep people from believing and trusting the word of God and proclaiming Jesus Christ as the Lord and savior. And that's the goal, whatever it takes. And we have And he has Satan has people who worship him, who have sold their soul to him for fame or money or power or whatever. And they do his bidding. And they do his bidding in our government, in our military, in NASA. They do his bidding in the education system. And so, we do have a massive conspiracy just like Psalm 2 says, against the Lord God. And I'm not just any God, but the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of the Bible. The war is against him. You know what? You can talk about Buddha and nobody bothers you. You can talk about Muhammad and Allah. You can talk and nobody bothers you. But just start talking about Jesus being God. Woo! Here we go. Right? And we know this cuz they they You don't You don't hear people using, you know, Allah or Buddha as a cuss word in movies, do you? No, it's always Jesus used as a cuss word, right? Or used irreverently. Um so, we know why. It The conspiracy of the world leaders is against the Lord God Almighty and his anointed Messiah, and that is Jesus Christ. And that's it. You know? And um Psalm 2. Psalm 2? what's it? Return. Hold on, I think I think our brother right here in the back here. Yes. Um, brother Dave, thank you so much for what you Hey, hey, hey, let me let me get the mic so the people can hear you.
I know there's a lot of you that's going to have a lot of questions here. So I'm going to move a little bit to the center, but I'm going to go ahead with my number one. How many people were on the fence last night? Yeah, anyone here that like left? Okay, so some of us were on the fence. You did an excellent job. And you did it from a biblical, hermeneutical, exegetical point of view. That's what I was looking for. Very scientific. That's very good. I appreciate that. I have a question as to how do the satellites stay there? How do How does the satellites, how does the station, what is going on with that there? Oh, that's a good one. You You can go ahead and do that, brother. Listen, I I did extensive research on this. Uh, in my book, I've got I've got an entire chapter about balloon satellites. Now, here's what I did, y'all. Most of us already knew this, all right? Cuz we knew they can't First of all, they would always be degrading in in altitude, all right? They can't maintain altitude without some type of propulsion. And what are you going to use for propulsion in vacuum space? But here's the issue is that there's no pictures of them, all right? There's always There's always cartoons. And then when I started digging into the government documents, y'all, I spent hours and hours typing in balloon satellite. And I got so many declassified documents. I didn't put them all in my book, but I can tell you right now that all of our early satellites, all of them, were balloons. That they What they did was they put a canister cone in the nose of a rocket, a Saturn rocket, or a Thor rocket at the time. And they would put it in there, and what they do is first stage rocket gets them to 73 miles. That is where I discovered that the ether gets becomes very dense and very tough to get through. So, they would get a rocket to about 73 miles, and and I've confirmed this. This is all in my book, the chapter on the ether, what I discovered about that. And then the second stage, you'll notice you'll notice like the the SpaceX rocket, the the exhaust will look orange. And then they start flying into the ether and it turns blue cuz the ether is blue. It's a blue tint to it. All right? Just can't see it unless something disturbs it or you're you know, you can focus in on it. Uh Piccard, when he went up to 51 feet, he trapped air. He he said the air was blue. So, uh they go up 73 miles. They plow into it as far as they can. You don't really know what altitude they can get to. But they We know they never reached the firmament cuz God said they didn't. But they plow into it maybe to about 400,000, maybe 500,000 feet. The nose cone of that thing opens, and a Mylar balloon deploys, and their little satellite comes out. It's a little thing. And because they deployed it in the
ether current that's up there, it is moving in a circuit over the earth, and it will take the balloon in a circuit for 14 days. I have documents that I dug out from the National Reconnaissance Office, declassified documents, where they would fly planes when these things would start coming down, they would fly planes to catch them in midair to retrieve the satellite. They called our first and actually the Corona It was Corona satellite system. I'll tell you all about that. Well, why was it called Corona? Because Corona in Spanish crown meaning going what? Around this way, not Right? Means around here. And so, guess what? Some of those documents It's funny, but some of the things like uh They had code names that X the A-12 and OXCART. They had Isinglass. Some of you that How many of you saw my Isinglass? I saw some of you guys nodding your head today. All right. I found in the classified I I found in the classified documents the spaceship. It never went to space. It says it was never going to space. That it was a recon vehicle. That's it. It was a reconnaissance vehicle that could fly over Russia and China in about an hour and a half. And they sent it to be a boost glide vehicle code name Isinglass. You know what that means? Lead glass. That's what the formula is. Right? And that's all of this is in there, but but I Look, we have all the documentations that there is no such thing as a satellite orbiting the earth by itself without propulsion in some kind of vacuum of space. It doesn't happen. They are all balloons, and that's why recently the balloon satellite of the Chinese that came over It just got a little too low. We could see it. Right? So, they had balloons and as soon as I know I know that that's exactly Apollo 11. This is what they did. Apollo 11, Apollo 17, all those were missions. They just went to the moon. Instead of putting a satellite in that nose cone of that the rocket, they put a capsule that would deploy a balloon. And they would have three astronauts in it. And they would be there and because of the buoyancy within the ether at at times they would actually experience temporary in pockets of weightlessness because of this going on in the ether. But they were no further than about 80 to 90 miles up. And so what happened was they're up there, they do their little fake shot of the earth like I showed last night through the window. They try to act like they went to the moon, you know, they didn't. And then what happened? They would begin to deflate the balloon as it began to descend back into out of the ether and they would deploy the parachutes and the navy pick them up. That's That was the Apollo missions cuz if you look at the Apollo 11 footage that guy that Bart Sibrel got, you look
at that, they're they're hovering. They're not moving. The earth's not spinning below. They're not orbiting 17,500 miles an hour like they're supposed to be or flying to the moon. So if they're sitting still over the earth, how are they doing that? Go to the Felix Baumgartner Red Bull jump. Notice when the balloon they had the balloon where it would hit about 120,000 ft. And if you notice it's going up fast, going up fast and then it starts to the ether starts getting thicker and slows down. What? Stop. And it's like suspended there. Remember when he jumped out of it? He wasn't going up. He wasn't going sideways or it was still. When he jumped out of it it just shot a little bit. Because it had hit the ether. Well, guess what? They did. They brought that capsule back down. They just blamed the balloon. Dropped the capsule back down. Guess what I did? One day I looked at the I I zoomed in with the Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 uh capsules that came down, around the top, the connectors, the same as they had on the Felix jump. So they had the balloon, it was the same connections for balloon and for parachute. That's how they do it. So there's no satellites. It's an impossibility. But look, in my book I cover it and I give you the documents in there. And and even you know what I started doing? I'm going to I'm going to show y'all. I had a guy we I posted some of the documents like some clips from some documents that I pulled out, some Russian documents that we stole. And I had those pictures and I said, "Oh, you could have just made these yourself and faked it." So, what I did was I started doing this on my phone. It's It's turning on the screen and capture video and I go CIA reading room, foiled documents, type in what I'm looking for, bring it up, pull up the document, scroll to the page, here it is. Right? So, I'm going to start releasing those videos here pretty soon. Just short videos of these documents so that that I'm not being deceived. But, yeah, that's that's Yes, we're going to get our vote right there. Okay, brother Dean. Thank Oh, sorry. Thank you so much, brother. We really appreciate you and commend your courage and temperance last night. And you really exhibited a lot of temperance. And so, I have a multi-part question, if I may. First question is can you make that pamphlet image that you all have for the tri-fold, would you make that available for download? Second question, the the books that you have are great. Can you put them on Kindle or PDF download for a phone? Some of them aren't. Okay, here's what we have to do. The reason I couldn't make the "Light Fades as the Seal into an ebook" is because there was so I had so many pictures and illustrations in it, it would The cost was going to be astronomical. I mean, this is crazy. So, what uh we had to do is just make it We make it print-on-demand. Amazon is is messing us over right now with that. But, what we
Oh, yeah, yeah. You have to go through this thing about proving you have the rights to every single picture. There was no way to do that. Even though I created a lot of the illustrations myself, I still had some pictures and things. So, anyway. But, look, Dave Weiss has got to go. You got You got here in minutes. But, I wanted to share just for a minute whatever was on his heart and thank you for coming. Thanks. Thanks everybody. And I'm I'm happy that you can't pronounce Theo name either. I never get it right and I've given up. I've given up. Um the question I have is you know how how did I get here? Like how did this happen? And I I don't think I could be here without God. God brought me here. God God brought us all here. Right? And and people say hey you know, why are you how are you doing all the stuff that you do? I'm just doing it. I mean I I'm doing what I'm doing. Everyone's Everyone's doing what they're doing. Austin is doing what he's doing. Walk down the road of course. And if we all just follow that spirit of truth and let God guide us, then we're going to end up in a really good place. If you let something else, someone else guide you, you're not going to end up where you want to go. And that's what I've come to realize. Also, you know, with with last night, you know, if if Greg only knew you know, how my journey came. I mean in 2014, I was an atheist my entire life and I I discarded the Bible you know, from the first Bible study went to as a young teenager. They said the stars fell to the earth and I'm like no, the star would eat the earth. He stole it from me. And you know, that you know, this whole journey is amazing. So I wrote down a couple notes so I didn't forget when I got up here. You know, like Tim Tim over here. Tim, who told you to set this up? Nobody. God, right? I mean Tim Tim calls me up out of nowhere. He's like hey don't get in a room. I'm having people. We're doing this. You know, I'm like awesome. Let's go. And here we are. This is amazing and in two days or three days we've had four like massive meetups. This is the most powerful thing that you know I've ever really experienced. Um The So again that the spirit of truth is strong. Like last night there was a unnamed individual that was that had come who was the opposite of the spirit of truth. And and literally when I met him when I got in front of him he shook my hand and I'm like hey let me shake your hand and I looked him in the face and I'm like yo my god what are you doing here? And I'm telling you it shook me. I'm still shook by having my energy meet his energy. It was it was it was shocking and and it's still affecting me and I'm trying to process it. So um you know they say birds of a feather flock together well we are all in a big flock
and this is you know when you when you maintain your positive energy um it it's it makes all the difference in the world. And I two more things I want to say is um very important is uh Last night like when the whole thing fell apart Austin was going to get up and talk and help Austin come up for 5 minutes and and make a few points. But I was shocked when he brought up Mark Sergeant. Okay? Now I don't agree with everything Mark says. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't agree with everything I say sometimes. But Mark Sergeant had some brothers and sisters I believe and and his aging mother and his mother needed help and none of the other kids would jump to take care of her. And so Mark moved into his house with his mother back from I think it was in Oregon or Denver um to live with his mother and take care of her and he looked down upon that. That was like that's the only thing that like that is it is horrible. It's just horrible. Just the fact that he did that and I was shocked. Um that's what irritates me the most about last night. That comment. So Yeah. Oh oh yeah, that that also yeah. So I mean there's so many things that happened last night, but what the whole thing it's going to lift us all higher. We all see things differently now. You know, nothing bad happened last night. Everything's good. Make sure you always have your phones charged because Jesus is coming and you don't want TO MISS IT. HEY AUSTIN, COME OVER AND BREAK SOMETHING. HOW'S IT GOING? UH I WAS actually here cuz I was supposed to fly out this morning and missed it. But I think I'm supposed to be here. That's why I missed it. So So cool. Yeah, he didn't apologize to me or anything after that. I'm like, "No, you crushed it, bro." I wasn't supposed to go up there. Uh I didn't I wasn't going to say the one thing I was going to say he kept saying, "I don't believe you that the universe is expanding." I'm like, "Well, that's that's rough for you, my guy, because that means the earth is stationary and geocentric and that's why they claim that it expands because it looks like we're in the center of the entire universe." So he actually agrees with you, bro. He just doesn't know it. So yeah, I I Some of you guys may know me, but the reason I do this is because I get hundreds of people saying, "Bro, you changed my life." I'm like, "I didn't change your life." I just showed you what the creator made for you and that changed your life. And it's crazy that you didn't really resonate with that, but I'm sure that you can and um So yeah, I'll just say stay strong to everybody cuz it really does change people's lives.
It's very important. What you made is important. They undermined it, twisted it, inverted it. And yes, I'm going to be easy, but you can see that we're starting to rise together. And yeah, I'm just glad I got to be a part of it. I wasn't needed. I wasn't needed. So I'm glad that I got to be out here anyway. And yeah, that's about it. Thanks for HAVING ME INTERVIEW. HALLELUJAH. NATHAN, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, ONE LAST THING THOUGH. I'M SORRY. In trying to share flatter to people, the the seeds you're planting seeds and watering model that we see with the gospel. If we take that attitude, think that'd be really helpful with people we're trying to share this with instead of just pound, pound, pound until they put up a hard wall. Yeah, yeah, look, in every witnessing you and you probably know this very well. In every witnessing, I used to preach on the street, college campuses, open air, and you see a you know, a lot of one-on-one walking down, you know, downtown Auburn and just everywhere. Every situation you run into and every person you run into is a little different. And you really have to pray and discern from the Lord what you should say to that person or how hard you should pound at them with certain thing. And I I get around people sometimes I'm not talking about it all the time to every person because I'm trying to get get an idea where they are, what they can handle. Some people can't handle it first. And truly the first message, you know, as Christians we're supposed to give them is about about the Lord. But again, if they have unbelief they have unbelief because of believing in in science and scientism or not. If they believe in this cosmology or whatever, yeah, we have to tackle that. I What I was trying I was going to say it last night, but of course it just kept he kept trying to get louder and louder there at the end. But what I he kept trying to say is we're saying that you're not a that you don't believe this. No, no, no, no. What we're saying is this is an apologetic. This is okay, the 1 Peter 3:15 says this, "Be ready to give an answer to every man the reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear." Meaning that when you come about certain people have different objections or why they are not willing to accept the gospel, accept Jesus, or believe the Bible. And so, you got to find out where their objections are and then you try to give an answer to that objection. That's called apologetics. Actually, the word apologetics is the word in Greek. It says, "Give an answer, a defense." So, flat Earth cosmology, you know, that's not the gospel, it's not the salvation message, but it gets something deep down in people's heart that they've been brainwashed their whole life that blocks them from believing the Bible and accepting it, it gets that out of the way when you can show them the evidence. That's why I showed it last night why so many atheists are getting saved. He has no idea how many atheists he's saved. I would like to ask him how many atheists that he thinks he's saved in the last 8 years. All right? And believe in God and come
to the to the knowledge of truth. So, um I I just think you just have to be sensitive in every situation. Sometimes that is the way to get into somebody's uh heart about that and talk to them. And sometimes that's not the issue you need to talk about. So, it's just being led by the Holy Spirit in every situation. You know, and that's it's not always easy. You have to just pray for wisdom in that moment, you know? Um that's why I put when Greg came to our conference to speak at our conference, I didn't say a word to him about flat Earth or anything, but not a word. Cuz I was like I just felt like I know I'm not going to push it. I had no idea that some other people were pushing him in his church about it or just to say, "Hey, where do you Where do you stand on this? Are you going to talk about this? You know, this is an issue." Um so, I I just knew it in my heart, don't push it. But then some people I'll sit down and push it. But just try to be led by the Holy Spirit. Um How many more you want? Let's All day. All right. Um I got one right here. You got one right there? Okay. Uh my name is Dennis. I have a a like three really quick um some of my questions some of my comments. Uh the firmament um is like it says sea of glass, right? Would it be possible that it's not like a dome but like maybe like a cube? Because uh uh it's in the circles with with the water, right? Ice wall and then there's like four four corners four angels four winds, you know, cuz it's Revelation. And uh second one is um in Genesis 1:10 it says that God called the dry land Earth and the gathering together of waters called seas. So, basically is it like the dry land is Earth only and then the water is seas so it's like separate. No, I don't I agree with that. Yeah. Okay. And then um if the it's like a comment. If the moon would cause the tides um you know, the moon goes once around uh every day but there's two tides maybe six hours so it would have to it wouldn't make any sense and you know how they say that um it doesn't have its own light it's reflecting the sun and and that would that doesn't make sense cuz you would see like a like a half a moon and the sun at the same light in the daytime and if it was like caused by the sun it'd be full moon every time. Right. Yeah, no, it's not. Now, let me say this. I believe the firmament and I'm going to tell you why I believe the firmament is actually a dome shape, okay? What I do believe, here's what I believe. Look, when the God said in Proverbs 8 that he inscribed a circle upon the face of the deep. Well, he inscribed a circle in the substance but what was the shape? Well, what was the shape of what was here before he inscribed that circle? I think it was a cube that he inscribed the circle upon. Because I just think because of New Jerusalem is described as a cube 15 mi by 15 mi long. So, I think that that God inscribed it. So, I think that's where
the corners are. That's it. They're on the outside. But, I think it's a dome because that when he says that the uh when he says in the scripture every time he says he made the heavens and I didn't get to this verse, but in those verses in Isaiah 42 and Psalm 136 that I brought up last night where he's talking about spreading the earth where he's talking about spreading out the heaven, the word there means he bent them down like a bow. Okay? So, a bow is a curve. Like the rainbow. Yeah, also rainbows and sun dogs and they're all curved. Yeah, rainbows are a good I good illustration of it has to be you know, just the uh uh just our just normal things don't make a rainbow. Um but, you have to have something there. Evidence of two mediums. Like normal things can make straight rainbows, but they don't make curved That's right. So, I I believe that that what we have is a dome shape coming down upon what is it? A cube and how big it is we don't know. I mean, we don't because I think God delimited it and it could go on east and west forever. And or even even you know, in every direction it can go on forever. So, um we'll find out soon though, you know? But, I I just look at it this way and then if we're open to you know, if we open to yeah, it could be different than what we think, but we just know God said he's he's got a solid he made us a tent. He made us a tent and it's there, but he's going to remove it. And that's going to be a great day when he removes it and we see the Lord and we see everything he has for us and we just get it all. And I can't wait to see what's beyond the the dome on the earth out there. Yeah. Um I've got one right here. So, I was hoping to I don't know if you've seen the experiment. I've seen it a bunch of times um in regards to when I was first researching on this and kind of getting rid of the science falsely so-called in my head and trying to learn real science, you know? Um and so, it was basically like almost like a dry ice like a circle almost like a coffee table and like I think it might have been dry ice, but it was like a a maybe a stone that had been sitting in dry ice. I was hoping I could have that before we sit at least cuz you know what I'm saying? I think you're talking about you're talking about the the magnet the locking one. And I know it's a ring um magnet and it's it does it but because it has the ice. I've seen it. Like I was thinking in my head that Antarctic ice and the ring and like the magnet and it's just it was kind of coming together as like showing us how the sun and moon maybe or I I see yeah. I mean, I don't know what's going on here, but it's called quantum locking or magnetic levitation. Yeah, yeah, really cold temperatures and then basically in the electromagnetic field that the object will quantumly lock and just do perpetually.
Um so, yeah, I don't I don't know if that's what's going on. Good question. I just didn't I couldn't remember what it was. But um but I I do think it's important that all of us realize that I mean, we're at different stages of researching all this, but it's important that we do realize once we once we know, you know, we decide that we need to get rid of the science falsely so-called and and learn, you know, the truth. But um and I I wanted to add that there was a comment in Joseph's in my apostolic Bible that literally says there is a firmament and that they used to believe that this is how we got our rain and there was sluices that would open. Like they were ignorant, you know, the prophets of old. So, yeah, it it's They're right there calling the Bible a liar. Yeah, Moses only went up on the mountain in God's glory for 40 days and did but he didn't know anything. He came back with his face glowing. He didn't know anything. He He didn't know He didn't know the truth. Uh yes. I just wanted to offer a different perspective on the east and west. Of course, in our cosmology we believe that north is in the center, south is at the edge and everything is going east or west. Which uh you know, when Jesus was dying on the cross he can love us that east and west. He can He can give us his love with that east and west. Amen. Amen. Amen. Yeah, that's good. Uh right there. Wait on See the right there. She's been had her hand up a while right there. I don't know. Sit right there. I guess I can talk. I have so much to share with you but I'll try to be very brief. Regarding that was Pastor Daniel. My name is Leanne. When I was about 10 years old back then I knew I really believed that they were lying to us in school. But of course, as a 10-year-old you really don't have anything else to go on except for your your talk. Then several years ago then husband, now ex, he said, "I don't think we went to the moon." And I was like, "Oh, you're kidding me." You know, I just like nah. I brushed it off. Three and a half years ago, there was a a new friend that came to my life. And it's because of you he came back to the Lord. So praise God for Thomas to be able to come and see and search you out in the time that he needed. And three and a half years ago when I met him, he introduced this to me. And I prayed and prayed and I'm like, "Lord, give me the discernment. Is this what you are teaching? And not him being like a
wolf in sheep's clothes." I called him that. And so all that to say is I know that there are people coming back to the Lord. And I've been with the Lord. But it bothered me when he said last night something about making it as an idol. Because if it's an idol for me to dig into God's word, I just don't have any words for that. Because it grew my faith. It grew my faith so much. I wasn't going to say this part. But I started my own little blog. I really haven't advertised it because I needed to grow and learn a little bit more. So I thank you. And I didn't know about Friday night, otherwise I wouldn't have been here. But um by the way, I work for the airlines. Oh, so it is. I personally know a few pilots. Yeah. Yeah. But I do have other questions. And my main main focus, God rest her soul, my little granddaughter, stillborn. Her name was Aurora. And my son and my son and my daughter-in-law named her because of the beauty of the aurora. Recently I've learned that I'll get to my question in just one moment, please. Um I recently learned a way that I can approach people and that can if it can be hard. I think somebody said that back here. It's two questions. If you are a believer of the word and you just get them to say yes or no. And if they say yes, then go on and say, "Well, here's a simple question. I don't want you to answer me. If if we are spinning around the sun, what do we do for the first couple days of creation? And so that's opened the conversation with my grown son. But he's just not there. I just pray that he will open up. So, my question, can you describe or explain a little bit more to me about the aurora as far as why is it so far north seen and not so much down here? Yeah, that that's a good question. Um, see, because we believe, okay, when you have the the circle of earth, the north pole is in the center. I believe Mount Peru is is there, the mountain of God in the north. But above that, the north star, and then I believe right above that is where the throne of God is. It's at the at the pinnacle of the the firmament. So, his throne is upon that. So, that is at the actual location of his throne and that's the that emerald rainbow around it, that is the main place that it is shown through there. But here's what's wild. I believe and this is interesting cuz this just happened. The Lord said, I read a verse a few few days ago about the glory of God filling the whole earth.
And I I heard it on the radio or I saw an article by you or an announcement, but they were talking about just like this week the aurora being seen in the United States. Yes. It was seen in Ohio. In Ohio? Where? It was this summer. Earlier this summer? Yes. Well, I heard another one was coming out like recently. Like it could be this week. Um, but I was saying last this last 40 40 states in the United States. He said, "Listen, and here's what's interesting. It can be seen at times in Antarctica, meaning all the way there." Somebody asked me about that and I said, "Well, if God wants to to radiate down the glass all the way to the end, he can do it. He can do whatever he wants." And so, I I remember one of the most powerful videos that I saw back in the beginning of all this was an unsaved like atheist elderly who was I don't know, she was working with somewhere I think she was in the north in the Arctic and and she said the first time she walked out at night and she saw the aurora, she said she don't know she didn't know why but she tears started pouring down her face and she fell to her knees. It's I'm telling you, it's his glory and he may be doing something even stronger. You may start seeing it across the whole world here before we get to the end of things. So, but that's that's a great question. Yes. My name is Iris and and I want to ask um is there a flat Yes, I believe it is. And listen, tell your mom and daddy don't send me TO PUBLIC SCHOOL. SAY ONE SECOND, LET HER GO. CAN YOU PLEASE address the bubble? Yes. Okay. Let's just say the bubble would exist unless it was in the law. Right? Um, and so the bubble is only showing you when the water gets low. That's all it's showing you. You get a 100 mile lift. Yeah. And lay it down. Yeah. And and it's just ridiculous. Yes, we know like like water on a leaf will will hold it. It's called surface tension, y'all. Uh that's why you put another drop on it and it runs off, right? Because it's only to a certain level that that surface tension can hold. But you take any big body of water, I mean a pond, a lake, a sea, ocean, and what is it? Well, I was at we were at Lowe's not too long ago. Or no, where were we? We were at Myrtle Beach and we're on the 15th
floor and I happen to just, you know, of course the horizon is eye level, which means there has to be flat cuz if it was turning it's going to be down there. But it's at eye level on the 15th floor and so I just walked out a little bit. There's a railing right outside and they had it perfectly level railing and all the way as far as the ocean I can see this way and as far as the ocean comes across this way, it's level with that railing. I actually took a picture of it. It only curves away from you, though. Yeah, it only curves away from me, not this way. Right? But go ahead, man. Just a question last night, Rick started talking about things about analogies and whatnot and I think of all the things that we discussed last night, probably the most disturbing was it almost made me born again. The analogy and that's something that's right now in the body of Christ that we people I believe in Jesus. We know that that word has different meanings and different depths and things like that, but just if anybody that's watching or whatever because so many people right now I told them a long time ago they didn't believe and I brought it up again. And so I just make sure that you address on analogy. Yeah, you know, what was interesting and truly when Jesus was talking to Nicodemus about being born again, and I'm glad I'm glad you brought that up. Because when he was talking about that, see, we're talking about at times two different things. Because there is a physical world, and there is a spiritual world, okay? And it's not a metaphor if you're trying to describe something that's going on in the spiritual world by using physical illustrations. There's nothing wrong with that. But the physical world, I mean, the spiritual world, rather, is just as real as the physical world. Um I have seen I look I The Lord has walked up to me I I feel this I know some of you may think this is weird, but I've had the Lord I I was sitting in the church about where you are, sir, like over there. Someone was preaching, and I was sitting right over there listening. And the woman was talking about the fivefold ministry. That's what I'm calling the fivefold ministry. She was preaching about this this lady was teaching. And I saw the Lord standing beside her. Like I could see through him, but I could still see it was Jesus. He's standing beside her. He walked down the aisle and laid his hand on my shoulder. He didn't say anything. I knew he didn't say anything. You're called to do this thing. This is what you're going to do. And that is just as real as my hand right here. You understand? Yeah. I don't know we think Why don't we think spiritual things are not real? Look, when someone is born again, there is a supernatural real experience that happens with God, where he totally comes in and resurrects your dead spiritual man that's cut off from him. There is a literal It's called regeneration. It's a re-firing. It's re- It's basically a resurrection of your human spirit. Well, let me tell you, your human spirit is real. Even Even Paul said there's the natural body and there is the spiritual body. And he
said, "Just like the spiritual body has eyes." That's what when we dream at night, your spiritual eyes are seeing that vision in the night. When when I was seeing the Jesus walk down the aisle, let me tell you, I was seeing with my spiritual eye. I've had people come up to me, you know, when when I'm to pray for people who have demons or demonic problems. My wife and I were in Georgia one time preaching and a friend of hers who had a beautiful singing voice, all of a sudden just lost her voice. She had no singing voice whatsoever and that's how her and her husband were traveling around and preaching and he would play the guitar and I mean she was beautiful voice. Couldn't say a word. Couldn't sing a word. So, she comes to church that morning and she I see her, she's sitting in the back waiting I gave the altar call to pray for people. She gets up and comes down the aisle and as she walking down the aisle, I kid you not, as she's walking, all of a sudden in the spirit I see a purple dark hand with these long claws sticking in her neck right here around her throat. All right? And I knew it was a demon spirit. It it was trying to steal her her ministry, her ability to sing. So, when she came down to pray, I said, "Let me tell you what the Lord showed me. I saw this demonic thing on her throat." And I said, "In the name of Jesus, I command this demon on her throat to loose her and let her go, to leave in Jesus' name." And it left and guess what? Her voice came back. And she went back to singing in churches praising the Lord. So, but that that that spiritual thing that I saw was real. And it was affecting the the physical world. And this is the the interaction we have. We have interaction with God. Remember Jesus said, "Where in in John 6, he's got he's got in all kind of stuff when he said, "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part with me." And they're virtually all saying, "Oh, how are you going to get this man to give us his flesh to eat?" born again. And Jesus had to tell them, "I'm not talking about the physical. The words that I speak to you, they are spirit and they are life. So, some things are spiritual and some things are physical. But, the Lord was just using being born as an example of something that is real that happens to you when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and you truly repent your sins and say, "Lord, I'm giving you my whole life." You will get what the Bible calls is the witness of the Holy Spirit, the regeneration, the impartation of his life comes in you. Because when we Because we're all descendants of Adam and Eve, when they sinned, the connection to God that they had in their spirit was broken. Right. Sin broke that. Sin causes separation. It causes death. And when that was broken, it had to be restored. That's why Jesus had to come and pay the price to restore it. The restoration of that is when you're born again. Yes, sir. And I tell people all the time, if you If you get If you tell me you believe in
Jesus, this is what I ask you. I'm not asking if the devil believes in Jesus, but he's not saved. Believing in Jesus is a start, but the next thing that's got to happen is you've got to truly seek him until you find him until that born again experience happens. So, you know, that was a terrible use of Because again, analogy There are some There are some analogies and things like that in the Bible, but remember, that's why I gave you the scripture at the beginning. All scripture, 2 Timothy 3:16, all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine. So, if even if it's a symbolic or metaphor or some type of illustration, what is the doctrine it's teaching? Right? Remember, the Lord's not saying the earth is a tent. He said it was like a tent. But, what is he trying to teach us? Well, it's got a flat floor and it's got something over it and it's got walls around it. Right? Yeah, yeah, and and the sun is inside of it and so that's what he's teaching us and he's just It's just like a like we try to teach our children or teachers that are teaching young children. You have to give them examples and explain things to them and try to give them understanding of hey, it's like this. But it's a real thing. Uh it is a shame, you know, and and especially where you start going with the ends of the earth cuz yes, some of those verses are general terms about the people across the whole earth. But in my book, I have the whole thing about the ends of the earth. Some of those are different Hebrew words that mean literally the limit of where you can go. The edge. It literally says that. So the limit of where you can go. So, you know, again, I didn't get to address that, but yeah. Go ahead, man. Dave's got a question. Yeah. One one another question. It's more of a comment. You know, when you're talking to people like, "Have you ever been on an airplane?" You know, when you're on an airplane, you see the horizon down there a little bit. You're flying at 39,000 ft. Your horizon's 242 mi away. If the earth is a globe, at 242 mi is another 39,000 ft of drop. That means the horizon is 76,000 ft below you. But you can look out the left window and the right window and draw a line right in front of your eyes. But it's 78,000 ft. You can't fathom that height. I could go on an airplane at 70,000 ft. That'd be like I would freak out. So, just when when you think about it, it makes absolutely no sense. It's a really solid thing to tell people, but most people are short circuited when you tell them that. They're not smart enough to know that. Well, maybe you're not. It's funny. I had a guy come on on on my YouTube comment on my Facebook Hey, he's got to go catch a plane. Make sure YOU GET PICTURES. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I HAD A GUY ON MY FLIGHT AND WHAT they said is I know I saw the curve of the earth when I flew in the Concord at 38,000 ft. So, you know what I did? I went and found all the footage I can find on YouTube and
people flew on the Concord and of course they couldn't get their cameras out the window. And guess what it was every time? Eye level and flat every single time on the Concord. I found a recent one. They even went on the last flight of the Concord. I looked again. People, now listen, this is how strong it is, folks. People have had this ingrained in their minds and all these images on television and everything else and and for school that they literally think that they see it or they have seen it. I tell people they they say that, "Oh, I saw the curve in an airplane." I'm like, "No, you didn't. You think you did." I said, "Let's let's go together and we'll both take pictures of you know, out the window." All right, yeah. First man. Mr. D, thank you very much. Maybe you could bring my voice back. Maybe I got that demon in my voice. Um I always lose my voice cuz I talk too much. I'm one of those kind of guys. I'm kind of like this guy here. Um I got uh I want to share a like I figured out this woman's phone. I want to share a testimony. Now, we were flattering these people for 7 years. We would go out on our boat. We're boaters and boaters. We would go out on our boat and we'd be with all these people on a sand bar. And we would go out and flatter these people. And they would look at us like we were idiots. Me and my wife and my son. And we took from these people. They were our friends. Well, here's what one of them said. We've been telling her about flat earth for years. She said, "Holy cow, this is all making sense." Right in. You're all like this. I think Here it is. Here we go. I love this noodle guy. Didn't get your name spelled right, so I think your wife will like the noodle part. I like this noodle guy. Uh tell Greg, that's me, not the other Greg. Um this is how he should have been approaching it to other people. Laughing. She said, "Dean Odle, I know you all are there in person, but I'm listening to him live, and he is so awesome. He is even better today, that's right now, than he was yesterday. Cuz yesterday I had to present facts and evidence, and today he's speaking from his own." And then she just says, "Deception's real." The reason I shared that is we were on a boat for 3 4 years flat-Earthing everybody we could talk to, and they mocked us. These were our good friends, and we thought they were our good friends. We went to their
houses, we drank, we invited them over, we borrowed money, they bought We you know, this you do with friends. So, um one day we're flat-Earthing, and they come out of the sand bar. And she didn't want to tell everybody cuz they'd get attacked. She didn't want to get attacked. So, she said, "We believe what you believe." They mocked us. They made fun of us for that. I was mad. I was angry. But when I started seeing her come to the Lord and flat Earth and and I I I I I cuz another part of the testimony is the other side of flat Earth scared me away. Now, they'll say they kicked me out, but Dean preached to his people the first flat Earth. And I got mad at him cuz he was a little hard on her. So, this is where me and Dean kind of got a little wedge between her cuz he was hard on that Iranian girl. And she I stayed with her and we testified to that Iranian girl and she said to me and my wife, "You're the first real Christians I've ever met." And that was right after Dean did what he did. And this is where I kind of got a little wedge with Dean cuz it was like he's not handling these people properly. But he has his calling and I didn't know that at the time. So, then him and Rob Skiba got into their little riff. And I'm not a Hebrew roots man. I've never been a Hebrew roots person. But I did go test the waters. I wanted to see what it was about this Yehoshua. So, I tested those waters, but then I asked God one day, I literally had a pee a Paul moment. He passed me out on the floor. I didn't know what was going on. It was 115°. My camper I was changing the tire. It as I passed out, it fell off the jack. I fell on the dirt face first. I don't know how long I was out. I woke up. He said, "My name is Jesus." From that point on, I went to the rest of the world. I didn't care about Yehoshua. I didn't Now, Yah, Yeshua, yes, but any of those other names, I casted them down. Now, the reason I'm saying that is the reason I came here today was reconciliation. Now, I've said bad things about that man. I've said bad things about this man. I've said things bad about Dave Weiss that just left. I said bad things about Austin Wilson. I said bad things probably about all of you. But, here's one thing I want to say today. I asked for their forgiveness. They all said that it's forgiven. May my dad, even him, Mike Mrs. Odell,
said she accepts my apology. This whole weekend is forgiven. All right, a couple verses cuz you got a little emotional in the beginning there, Dean. Blessed are you when men curse you and revile you falsely for my name's sake. So, it doesn't mean, you know, go be a lying Elon Musk and get hated on. That's not the goal, right? But, you're doing what's right for the Lord and and that comes with certain, you know, I just that verse really resonates with me. Don't forget that, guys. And uh love is patient and kind. It's not jealous, boastful, proud, or rude. Does not demand its own way. It is not irritating. It keeps no record of anything, even what Greg Locke did, right? It so and it's uh never loses hope, never gives up, and endures all things. And uh I just want to let you guys know I got more flyers. I know a lot of people bugged me to get flyers. So, if anyone needs tracks to hand out, we've got signs and biblical ones. The email is flat earth flyers@gmail.com. I also have a thumb drive with like 500 flat earth books. You can search up anything you want by keyword. It's got a lot of hidden books of the Bible. So, if you want one of those, flat earth flyers@gmail.com, let me know and I just want to let you guys know there's more flyers and love you guys. Thank you. We got a bunch right here. Here we go. Well, the Lord's really been putting it on my heart to to say this and out of nowhere a young man back here he starts talking and then Nate he starts talking. This This morning I was on the way here with my husband Jason and and I was telling Jason I said I don't want any I I said I don't want to be like them. I When we walked into that place last night it was hostile and and there was one one guy that that we know real well from the flatters meet ups and and he was all sketched out and stuff cuz we got guns and whatnot and I was like something ain't right anyway because we got the fear up in here and there should be no fear it's a sound mind, you know? If you got a sound mind you got no fear of what's going to come at you because you got Jesus on your side. If it comes at you well, he's going to take care of it. So, right. Absolutely. And and so so but but they know they I mean you handled yourself well and not just that we sat there and watched while y'all were sitting in the chairs and and and man you were all calm and silent and you weren't even tapping your foot. Great. Oh man, he was a firecracker. He was there in the street out there with the you know 10 Oh, really? You know and and if you looked around at all of the people into the flat earth group you could pretty much tell who was who. Not by the way we were
dressed but we're very cultured group. But not by the way we were dressed but by the way we presented ourselves. Spirit. By the way we presented I ain't used to my full ability. Uh we presented ourselves in a and a kind, and gentle manner And even when they got all worked up sometimes, you know, still every one of us, you could see and and it really shows you when you look into the truth, you really get a peace of shalom, which means peace not chaos in the Hebrew some of y'all might get that. But you get a shalom inside yourself that that is just amazing. And others around you, they're just they are they're they're they're chaotic. And and and I really just wanted to not just you and what you did, but but even what you represented the flat Earth last night. And Jesus, you represented Jesus last night. And being that, the way you handled yourself, even though being there, you know, but but you know, it is what it is. I mean, I don't know if I could handle myself as well as you did, brother. But but you know, and and but the real the thing is is every one of us seen that. And every one of us will try to handle ourselves and we'll try and we will think about what happened that evening. And we will try to handle ourselves just as well, YOU KNOW. UM I HAD ONE QUESTION AND THEN A brief comment. I know a lot of people have questions. Uh one, can I get one of those shirts that y'all got on? Are those still available? Go to our website. They're on sale. Um they started on sale yesterday for a week. We sell Okay. Fantastic. All right. And we we made those money though. Okay. We buy them. Get some whatever it's called. But we just felt like we needed something. Actually, last night it was good. We kind of had our church staff. But I know I was just telling them that we had a you know, that kind of just what we had to identify in our folks and make sure, you know, and everything was put away. But, something Anyway, but yeah, there there have been And uh the second, I just wanted to dovetail off of some of the things that were said to us today. Um I came across you in 2015, been watching you ever since. What is it, 8 years now? Going on 9 years. And um at the time, I believed in Jesus like gentlemen friends of you know, you know, even Satan knows Jesus is real, right? I believed he was real, but I said, "Well, you know, if we're cosmic infinite dust blowing in a vacuum of nothing, right? Jesus must be an alien." Right? And so, I couldn't reconcile the two things. And so, for the naysayers that say that this isn't a integral part
in bringing somebody to the knowledge of Jesus Christ and true repentance and faith, I say to you, I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for it. So many So many people, followers of Greg Locke, were telling me that I didn't come to Jesus in the correct fashion. Well, forgive me if the truth didn't bring me to Jesus in the way that you dictate, right? So, I wanted to personally thank you. I It's it's a blessing to be here today to see you in person for once. And um I wanted to make one more comment. I know uh the gentleman in the front row had said, you know, "Would you elaborate on why Satan would perpetuate this lie?" Um another reason is, I don't know if you've been watching the news lately, but there's lots of alien talk. Right? You can't have the this alien deception with without the heliocentric ever-expanding ball Earth. And that they're going to They're going to perpetuate this lie onto mankind and planet. I would have been one of those people that would have believed it. I was so into that stuff, man. It took me away from God, you know? And now knowing this, I know I'm not going to be deceived. You know, I I When COVID hit, I'm thinking, "When are they going to do the alien stuff next?" Right? And then here comes the news. Right? And we got the John Grosh or whatever his name is in Congress now. And I mean, that's that's one of the reasons why he had to perpetuate this false reality. Also, uh now you see TV is doing a piece on you today. They have a lot They have a lot of followers. I talked to him just out of happenstance last night. And uh he said that they they knew about it and that he was going to try to cover you today. And um And I don't know, John. I don't know yet. Yeah, they're they're they're they're cool people. And so, uh yeah, I think that's it, man. Such a real blessing to be here. That worship service was great. I love to put my hand up. And uh yeah, God bless you. Thank you. Thank you, John. Praise God. So, you know, I I let me share I know you got a question. Let me just say this. You know, my grand brother was a preacher of raptures and he goes, you know, even though we don't we know that that is not correct according to scriptures. And and some of you may believe it, and that's okay. Well, you know, I don't. He doesn't. So, he said, you know, "Well, that, you know, people have come to the Lord because of that, right?" And no, they haven't. See, with whether you believe in a pre-trib rapture or mid or post or whatever, the truth there that the underlying truth of the whole thing is Jesus is coming and you will give an account for your life and if you lived in sin or you didn't live or you didn't So, that's what brought people to Jesus. Not, "Oh, well, I might you know, we're going to get snatched out of here and I might be left here to go through some tribulations." That's not what saved people. They realized, "You know what? Yes, Jesus is coming." And a lot of those people that believe pre-trib also taught, you know, in good, solid
end-time Bible prophecy signs that were being fulfilled. So, what I'm saying is truth will people us and brought them to Jesus, not lies. You hear me? Truth. And sometimes, you know, there's old preachers who say you got to eat the hay sometimes and spit out the sticks. Right? And and so, there's, you know, even in those pre-trib sermons, there was a lot of truth about the second coming of Jesus, and that is what got It's about Jesus coming. Right? Whether we disagree or agree on the time frame or that, we all do as Christians believe he is going to return to this earth. And so, when you start thinking about that, if you're not saved or you're backslidden or lukewarm or fallen away, that will bring conviction. You go, "Yeah, you know what? One day he's coming, and I don't want to be caught on the wrong side of that." If I, you know, and that that that's called conviction. So, I I I could not stand to do that. Like, people are are being brought to Jesus through a lie, basically is what he said. And it's just nonsense, right? Well, I'm I'm Christian I mean, um I actually have just recently been introduced to you within probably the last year, maybe we've been introduced to you through I don't know, maybe a couple weeks, yeah. So, anyways, um we actually came to the flat earth thing. I think we've been Christians our whole life, of course, but I think that God has kind of pulled us away through cuz we got, you know, searching for truth because searching for truth cuz we knew something wasn't right. You know, we watched the Ancient Aliens, we got really deep into that cuz we're like, "Oh my gosh, he's got to know something." He didn't he didn't like how he was talking, and he's just, you know, I drank a lot. But, you know, as we got into, you know, Trump's administration, the truth seemed to come out more. And we started hearing about this flat earth, and we've heard about it I think maybe a couple times in our life before, but we didn't pay no mind to it. And then, of course, we started seeing Dave's, you know, videos, and we started Eric Dubay, 200 Proofs, and you know, we watched Jenna Osborne. We watched all these people and then, you know, I mean, it was making sense to me, but until I saw your videos about the Bible does say it's flat. The Bible and and how the nether you know, were real and that really brought to us the idea that the Bible is literal in its translation. And you have and yes, it was translated by man. Even the King James version that everybody uses, it was translated and there can be mistranslations. And once I started paying attention to that, you know, things started opening up to us about the fact that God is speaking to us through the Bible and everything that he says can be translated to what is actually going on in this world and the things that we've seen. And last thing I want to say is is by becoming aware of that, you know, we've come across a lot of videos, but one video that I just recently saw that really shook me, it was a TikTok video that
somebody shared on their Rumble channel. It's only about 3 minutes long, but she goes into um the root Hebrew words of the first three words of the Bible, in the beginning. And she broke down those words in that 3-minute video to show that yes, it says in the beginning this word means this and you can do all these different conglomerations of these just those words, those three words. And in those three words, you can actually translate a whole sentence that says that he has basically created this place for us. He's given us Jesus. It tells that he's going to die on a a cross that is made out of the the type of a that it was, like a birch or something. I I don't remember the type of tree. I apologize. But, it it specifically just in those three Hebrew words, the way she broke it down, it literally said that Jesus was there. He was in the beginning, and that he was going to be presented to us as a gift on the cross as a form of his covenant, you know, and to take away our sin, basically. And when she broke just those three words, I don't need any other words in the Bible because it says the word is there in the beginning. It is perfect. It is permanent. And in those three words, I heard that Jesus was real. And that really struck me, and I wanted to share that to everybody. And just make sure, because you have been talking about the Hebrew doctrine or, you know, the words and the getting to the original translation. And I just thought that was so magnificent to hear those three words, in the beginning, in the original translations, and how you got this whole sentence behind it. So, thank you so much. You're welcome. We'll take We'll take one more, and we're going to let Tim share his testimony here. That's a big hand for everybody. Oh, we'll let you two do it. All right. You two do it. And we'll let Tim share. Thank you to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, for giving me the strength to get up here today. Thank you for Pastor Dean for teaching me the truth. My name is Robbie Rob. I'm from Tampa Bay. I came out recently to my friends and family as a Jesus-loving, Bible-believing, flat-earther. I've been called every name in the book. Crazy, lunatic, idiot. They say I'm in a cult. I'm not. This is the truth. The Bible is real. Jesus is real. And I'm not going to listen to that nonsense anymore. Thank you Jesus. Thank you Pastor Dean. Thank you to all of you. I've lost friends and family. We're your friends and family. Thank you. You're right. You are.
And so I want to invite you. I'm going to drive from Florida to Alabama to church next weekend. Come with me. Let's go. Thank you very much. If you need a place to stay, we live like 40 minutes from Fair Hope Grace and y'all If y'all want to stay and like be able to rest and go to church, I will give y'all my number. Okay, I I just wanted to to share real quick because this gentleman somewhere around here asked about the shirts and all that stuff on He asked it on the mic, but he didn't answer it on the mic, so I'm doing this for the people online that are like, "What was the answer?" We did put the Pastor Troy We're having a model here. We did put that we have hoodies and long sleeve shirts that commemorate this interesting event. So I put them online yesterday, so the sale started yesterday. It's going to go for a week because we just We can't just order a whole bunch and be stuck with them. So you pre-order it. Once you order it and we close the sale, we will place the order with our vendor, get them in, and ship them to you. So the sale goes for a week, and if you go to deanodle.org and click on the creation debate tab, you'll see it there. Everything's Yeah, the price is on there. You can purchase, you know, all that and we just for just to make it easy, we just did the shipping and the tax all in there, so that's That's the price is the price. Right. The price is the price. And then other people have asked about buying books and things like that. We will after the service is over cuz we don't do no uh selling things with services going. Um after the service is over, we'll have the books somewhere in the back. You can buy them. And if you have a card, you can go to deanodle.org, click on the store, um put what you want to buy on there, and put customer pick up cuz we don't We just don't sell a lot of them. We give away more than we sell. So And And that's what I was going to say. If you don't have money right now and you're struggling to type and you want a book, then just say, "Hey, look, I can't I can't really buy it right now." And they'll give it to you, okay? So that's That's what we're going to do. So And we're not trying to sell What we use the money for when we get it is to buy more of them. I'd just like to say thank you as well. We came 12 hours from north of Toronto in Canada just for this. It's really an honor and a privilege to be a part of what I believe is world history. Yes. Um my question is, have you ever heard of Todd King and God's true of life? No. He goes into all the different what they call the planets and explains all their rotations and how they interact with the sun and the moon and
how that affects the climate, the weather. It's just absolutely phenomenal. It has computer-generated models that show where they are today, where they were a year ago, where they were 10 years ago. Every one in their orbits, how when Mars interacts with the sun, Mars is cold and it It's just absolutely phenomenal. I don't understand it all, but it's worth having a look at. Todd King is His email is in the earth was flat and without Uh what's the word? Yeah, with with without form and void. Um on Facebook. Okay. I don't know. Yeah. Um yeah, it is. Well, I think we're at 2:00, so thank you all for coming and thank you for your support and your encouragement. Tim, thank you for sharing your testimony. I just want to say I love y'all and I know God's I know God's going to do some amazing things. Wow, I think I saw a lot of names on that sheet you had there, so I look forward to hearing what God will be doing up here in Nashville, Spring Hill. This whole area is God's God's got a You know, there's a wave and I believe this I believe it's not just a wave of just the the word told me there's a wave of flat Earth biblical cosmology is coming, but it's also a wave of revival. Really awaken to be in revival to really come back to life. Your eyes are open, you see. Um and and make changes in your life because of this. Let's pray. Father, thank you again for this wonderful time together. Um Lord, I I so enjoyed just hearing from everybody and God, I thank you again. You're going to do great mighty things in in everyone's lives and I know you have You always have a plan. You're always moving forward. You want us to follow you. Lord, we're going to try to do that the best of our ability. And Lord, we just bless you. We ask you I pray that you protect everyone everyone that's came to this debate, everyone that's going to be traveling in a plane or a vehicle, car, whatever. Lord, keep everyone safe, put your angels around them, let everyone get home safely and Lord, continue to move in their lives. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. God bless you.