Sunday Service after Creation Debate

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   You know, You know, um You take a lot of heat for doing stuff preaching stuff like I've preached over the years. Um You know, I'm just uh here. Sorry. I'm just uh You know, there's uh just the amazing support we've had from day one when all this started blowing up. The messages, the emails, the encouragement, you know, I didn't realize there was there was uh more of us than I knew. And you know, again, I think I think the other side of this issue doesn't understand why we are so passionate about it. It's not just about the shape of the Earth or the cosmology here. It's about the integrity of GOD'S WORD. AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T agree are not Christians or not born again or not going to heaven or I'm not saying that, but you know, as I've walked with the Lord over the years, you know, he wants to continue to lead us and guide us into all truth. And we but we can say no. We can say I'm not willing to grow for it. And every denomination, every denomination that's out there started out with truth and God moving in their midst and Jesus being exalted and people being saved and then God wanted to take them to the next step and they said no. And now you got a denomination. And then another group comes along and they say, "Well, no, this this is in the Bible. This is in the word." And the other group says, "No, we don't agree with you." And they're like, "Well, we have to go start another thing." Because we have to continue to grow the kingdom of God. And there's a there's a verse in Psalm 92 it says, "Those that be planted in the house of the Lord shall flourish in the courts of their God." Again, this is one of those things where you have to know and have to look up the original word, but the original word when it says planted in the Hebrew is not planted, it's transplanted. Okay? And the word transplanted, you know what that is? When we put a plant in a pot and it grows as much as it can in that pot. And that pot is restricting it from

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   growing anymore, it has to be moved to another pot or put out in the yard somewhere so it can keep growing. And there's just places that are going to say, "That's it." And you know what? It's it's it's sad. I didn't I didn't want it to get to the point where Greg says, "You know what? If you don't agree, don't come back." I mean, I didn't want that to happen. And you know, we weren't broadcasting a minute ago, so what I I was saying we didn't didn't get broadcast out there, but I'm going to say it. We don't hate Greg. We're not against Pastor Greg. We love Pastor Greg and we're going to be continuing to pray for him and bless him and just bring down all news in his life. There's no But we are not going to sit around and just be ridiculed, called names, put down, uh mocked. Interrupted. Interrupted. And just say, "Well, you can do that." And that's why I know some of there there's some people thought, "Well, you know, Pastor Andy, you got a little fire in there again, too." Well, here's the thing. I am a man and I ain't going to let another man bulldoze me. And I'm not perfect. I did the best I could, yeah, you know, with what I had to deal with. And I really wasn't throwing the mic at him. I was And I'm like, "Now he's saying I threw the mic at him." So, of course But see, even that right there is misrepresenting what happened. He said he said he was. But again, what's amazing is that I think again, this room is so packed tonight is because I think everybody can solve their own lives. Um again, you know, I don't People come to my church, I don't say you have to believe the earth is flat or in biblical cosmology to be here at church. You know, you don't have to do that, but um anyway, we we get so dogmatic. But what I want to do is I'm going to give y'all I know some had asked about, you know, the rebuttal last night that I didn't get to give it. And I'm going to share that and then we're going to open up the Q&A and just let y'all ask some questions. We got We got another mic. Uh so, which one of you going to run the mic around? You're going to run the mic around the people. Um And Dave, before you leave, I want to If you got a If you have a word you want to share, I want you to come share it. Um Nathan, you too, if you have something you want to share. Um God love you guys. I love these guys. And we've had our disagreements in the past and you know, we've all butted heads a little bit. You know, even me and Jarren butted heads a little bit, but we're We're getting along better now. I don't But that happens. I think we're human beings. So that the the head-butting and misunderstanding people and or getting upset with people or whatever, we're going to have those things. It's just And sometimes we don't respond correctly. I I had to apologize to Nathan last night and I apologized to you. Yes, sir, you did. All right.

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   Love you, too. Now, so, you know, everybody has to humble themselves sometimes and say, "You know what? I was wrong and I apologize." Now, do you know how much good that does? Especially husbands and wives when you say, "I was wrong. I'm sorry." You know? I was wrong. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have done that. Um well, the kingdom of God and and households would be a lot more peaceful, right? I know some of us husbands are the most stubborn of all of our lives. We know we're wrong and we won't say we're wrong. But we know we are. Right? But here we go. Let me Let's get into this a little bit just so you all know. So, some people have asked, and of course, I think one of the things that set him off Hebrews 11:3. He brought that up. I didn't. So, he brings up Hebrews 11:3, which says, "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen are not made of things which do appear." And of course, y'all know he said that those worlds were planets and you know, I guess the you know, the heliocentric universe is what he believed, but he got really mad when I said that Y'all see either doesn't know or hasn't looked up the actual Greek word there is eon. And if you look it up, it means age or time or season of time. And I think that just really was probably what put the the nail in the coffin there. Um that was That was pretty much the end. But I want to talk about too what he said about Psalm 103. If you have your Bibles or your phone, you want to turn to Psalm 103 because somebody wanted to ask about this whole east west thing and then what he said about the mercy of God and forgiveness of God and that we are limiting that. Um Yeah. Crazy. All right. But you you know, I I was going to address it and did just didn't get the opportunity to. But we'll turn to Psalm 103. And let's see. What verses were we using? I don't remember. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Letter in here in 12. He said, "Okay, this scripture is what it says. The heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." And so he tried to say, "I- It's amazing that he for a minute there acknowledged that we believe in the firmament dome and he's thinking, of course, that is a heaven." Now, but remember that when I was sharing that I said the Bible teaches the Apostle Paul said in 2 Corinthians 12 that there are he went to the third heaven and where God is and he said, "I saw unspeakable things that a man is not allowed to utter." So Paul was called up to the third heaven. The third heaven is where the throne of God is. It is where the mansions are. It is I have seen it twice. God has opened the door for me to see this. When I was called me to the ministry, he opened heaven. I saw him

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   standing there. I saw the glory of the Father. I actually saw how the Trinity looks. And the glory of God and the power of God was so strong that I actually thought Jesus was coming in that moment. That's how powerful it was. It was an open vision. I was wide awake. The room went away and opened up and I saw Jesus and I saw heaven. And the Lord's allowed me to see it a couple of other times and I can just tell you that it's beautiful and it's powerful and there's there's nothing but peace and love and just sheer power that doesn't hurt you, but it's almost overwhelming. And um I'm sitting here and he's saying this and he's saying like we think that that that's what he's talking about here. But whenever God got you look at the context here if our atmosphere is a heaven, one heaven, called the open firmament heaven. Then the firmament, the solid firmament dome is the second heaven. And the third heaven is there. We don't believe that there's any limit to the third heaven where God dwells. And that one day, according to Revelation chapter 12, he says he's going to roll back the heaven or the firmament like a scroll and do away with it. Now, here where I'm going is he's going to do away with it. So, really we're going to be able to see and if listen, when God said little fear not little flock, it is my father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Listen to me. If you if you love Jesus, if you're born again, if you if you know the Lord God Almighty, you get everything. You inherit everything. It said the meek inherit the earth. Guess what? We get the earth. We get heaven, we get the new Jerusalem. Everything God has for us. We get it. All right. Now, I believe this because of and we can turn to this, Proverbs 8. Let's turn to Proverbs 8 real quick. Cuz about when the firmament is removed, what are we going to find? Cuz it's a temporary thing. Proverbs 8. Should I read it there? I just Did I say it again? Let me make sure I'm in the right place. Yeah. I am so exhausted, y'all. I can't even tell you. There you go. All right, yeah. Let's start here with it. All right. Yeah, verse 31. All right. Rejoicing, he says here, "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth and my delightful with the sons of men." I remember reading that one day and the Lord was like, you know, and he brought up Acts 17. And Acts 17 literally means there is a limit to where we can go. Like, because of the

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